A Sea Of Red

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CAA,,,,,,,,,or SoCon?

If they jump before we do it should give us our first baseball title.

the end of BS football. Stony Brook and VMI will bail once Liberty and Coastal leaves.

Wow! Who would have thought that Coastal would leave before LU?

ballah09 wrote:the end of BS football. Stony Brook and VMI will bail once Liberty and Coastal leaves.

Not necessarily. Kennesaw State would be the key to saving it. Also some MEAC schools, Delaware St and Hampton, could look to come on a associate members.

Cider Jim wrote:Wow! Who would have thought that Coastal would leave before LU?

Me, haha... on my first post ever here and I got killed for it:

Postby RVAparks » December 23rd, 2010, 11:13 am

I have to tell you I did intern with the CAA for several years (4) and I think there is little to no interest in Liberty joining the conference. The CAA is mainly going after media markets, as you can see with their fairly recent expansion of Towson (BLT/DC), Northeastern (Boston), Drexel/Delaware (Philly), and Ga State (Atlanta) Lets face it, Lynchburg isn't much of a media market.

If the CAA was to expand then they would most likely be taking Kennesaw State and Coastal Carolina. Both are in larger media markets, have football, and solve a need for traveling partners for Georgia State and UNCW.

Did I miss something? They aren't invited anywhere are they So they basically said what we said back in January without all the hoopla and a fancy study.

Pretty much, they are basically reaffirming the same thing they've been saying for years. They have to continue to publicly announce it though to avoid getting left in the dust in all this realignment hoopla.

ballah09 wrote:the end of BS football. Stony Brook and VMI will bail once Liberty and Coastal leaves.

I'd love to see VMI in the same conference as The Citadel.

Conway/Myrtle Beach is all of 9 spots above Lynchburg in the last MSA table (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_U ... ical_Areas) with 269k to 252k population. It is growing faster. As far as Nielsen markets go for TV, Lynchburg/Roanoke is a combined area with 150k more TV households to the TV market that CCU is in (http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corp ... ration.pdf). The larger market argument doesn't hold up there at all.

It wouldn't surprise me if the CAA did look at Coastal now as Myrtle Beach is growing at a pretty decent rate, but it would likely be more because they can function better as a travelling partner and the general distaste some conferences may have for an Evangelical school like LU.

Or the fact that LU doesn't want the CAA

jcmanson wrote:Or the fact that LU doesn't want the CAA

Does the national TV deal for the CAA, and the potential for that to be leveraged into a move to FBS football for the conference, change the position LU would take there?

Were not moving to another FCS conference

jcmanson wrote:Were not moving to another FCS conference

Which completely ignores the question. With the CAA getting a national TV deal, and with some of its football teams clearly wanting to move up, does our position on joining them change if they try to leverage their way into becoming a FBS football conference? There's no reason to think they won't at least try to pull that off.

cjsweat wrote:

ballah09 wrote:the end of BS football. Stony Brook and VMI will bail once Liberty and Coastal leaves.

I'd love to see VMI in the same conference as The Citadel.

Been there, done that.

NotAJerry wrote:

jcmanson wrote:Were not moving to another FCS conference

Which completely ignores the question. With the CAA getting a national TV deal, and with some of its football teams clearly wanting to move up, does our position on joining them change if they try to leverage their way into becoming a FBS football conference? There's no reason to think they won't at least try to pull that off.

I dont think it will affect that at all. I think its been discussed as to a) an FCS conference moving up to FBS and b) where Liberty is casting its eyes as far as FBS conference affiliation is concerned.

NotAJerry wrote:

jcmanson wrote:Were not moving to another FCS conference

Which completely ignores the question. With the CAA getting a national TV deal, and with some of its football teams clearly wanting to move up, does our position on joining them change if they try to leverage their way into becoming a FBS football conference? There's no reason to think they won't at least try to pull that off.

The only way it would happen would be if they were definitely making the move to FBS. They'd have to kick out their members who don't want to mone up and accept new ones who do. That doesn't even include having to get the NCAA to approve this which is nearly unimaginable.

NotAJerry wrote:. As far as Nielsen markets go for TV, Lynchburg/Roanoke is a combined area with 150k more TV households to the TV market that CCU is in (http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corp ... ration.pdf). The larger market argument doesn't hold up there at all.

Really we're lumping Lynchburg in with Roanoke now? If the two towns are looked at straight up who has more of a media market?

RVAparks wrote:
Really we're lumping Lynchburg in with Roanoke now?

As absurd as it is, and it is absurd, of the 4 major broadcast networks in Lynchburg, 3 of them are located in Roanoke. I can't stand watching the nightly news and having to put up with a bunch of Roanoke news I don't care about.

From the class of 09 wrote:Did I miss something? They aren't invited anywhere are they So they basically said what we said back in January without all the hoopla and a fancy study.

agreed. this is an article where they announce to everyone "Hmmm. I think we'll move to the SoCon. No, wait- the CAA would be better. Yeah, we'll go there. Hopefully soon. Well..... no. No- they didn't actually invite us. And.... no. No, they arent expanding. But.... we'd LIKE to go somewhere else when they ask us. If someone does. Thanks for listening. Anyone??? Helloooo?"

big deal.

Would Coastal be announcing this if they did not think we were moving to an FBS conference? My inclination is no.

LUGrad2000 wrote:Would Coastal be announcing this if they did not think we were moving to an FBS conference? My inclination is no.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhh, I'm going to go out on a limb and say this has nothing to do with Liberty. The two aren't inter-dependent, Coastal has their own priorities. The auto-bid certainly comes into play, but they could protect the BSC if they felt so. Coastal has been trying to move up for well over 5 years now.

The athletic facility upgrades have more to do with it than Liberty.

BJWilliams wrote:

NotAJerry wrote:

jcmanson wrote:Were not moving to another FCS conference

Which completely ignores the question. With the CAA getting a national TV deal, and with some of its football teams clearly wanting to move up, does our position on joining them change if they try to leverage their way into becoming a FBS football conference? There's no reason to think they won't at least try to pull that off.

I dont think it will affect that at all. I think its been discussed as to a) an FCS conference moving up to FBS and b) where Liberty is casting its eyes as far as FBS conference affiliation is concerned.

The FCS conference moving up is going to get challenged at some point, possibly even before the auto-bid BCS structure is completely gone. As far as where LU is casting its eye, that's really secondary to actual opportunity. If the feasibility study shows us as actually being ready, and we put at least a loose timeframe on finishing the stadium expansion, I expect us to be invited to join some FBS conference but that doesn't mean it will happen. If we somehow get looked over this time around, then getting out of the Big South is still paramount to moving towards the ultimate goal.

RVAparks wrote:

NotAJerry wrote:. As far as Nielsen markets go for TV, Lynchburg/Roanoke is a combined area with 150k more TV households to the TV market that CCU is in (http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corp ... ration.pdf). The larger market argument doesn't hold up there at all.

Really we're lumping Lynchburg in with Roanoke now? If the two towns are looked at straight up who has more of a media market?

It doesn't matter how we look at it. Nielsen determines what the TV markets are and Lynchburg is part of the Roanoke market with both MSAs having a combined growth that is just slightly behind the much smaller Myrtle Beach MSA. If it comes down to TV market, Lynchburg is the better option and isn't going to get caught by MB anytime soon (the current pace would take between 90-100 years for MB to catch up).

You can't complain about Roanoke-Lynchburg when Myrtle Beach ia combined with Florence.

Guys, CCU is wisely throwing their name out there so they are forgotten. But they are not likely to leave before us unless Appy bolts so SoCon might eant to quickly plug a hole.