- May 6th, 2021, 11:30 am
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So what are your theories on why McKay has had success scheduling SEC schools but not ACC schools?
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LUOrange wrote: ↑May 6th, 2021, 11:30 am So what are your theories on why McKay has had success scheduling SEC schools but not ACC schools?It is strange that they're fine playing us in other sports but not basketball. I guess they saw what happened when we played Wake Forest awhile back
A Sea of Red wrote: ↑May 6th, 2021, 9:23 amWhich is exactly why I believe Tyndals concept of scheduling as a P5 equivalent will NOT happenolldflame wrote: ↑May 6th, 2021, 9:05 amThat's correct.A Sea of Red wrote: ↑May 6th, 2021, 8:23 am McKay told me a year or two ago that he called to try and schedule (nearly) every ACC school and they all turned him down.And to elaborate, I don't believe he was even asking for home and home, 2 for 1, or a big guarantee; just play us at your place .
JLFJR wrote:Thanks for your input, PA! Very helpful.
PAmedic wrote: ↑May 6th, 2021, 12:40 pmThey won’t validate us with no reason. It has to be geographically and financially a win for them. Adding us to their conference validates us, ( won’t happen ). Allowing their lower tier teams schedule us and count us as a P5 ( provided we have spent 5 years or so playing mote P5 schools than G5 ) is a win for everyone.A Sea of Red wrote: ↑May 6th, 2021, 9:23 amWhich is exactly why I believe Tyndals concept of scheduling as a P5 equivalent will NOT happenolldflame wrote: ↑May 6th, 2021, 9:05 amThat's correct.
And to elaborate, I don't believe he was even asking for home and home, 2 for 1, or a big guarantee; just play us at your place .
There’s no point to validating little old LU for these schools. People in the liberty bubble don’t get it.
JK37 wrote: ↑May 7th, 2021, 10:14 am It’s not a win if they lose!It is a win if their local fan base can drive to see them lose vs playing another P5 team far away that their fans won't go see lose and much easier travel mileage for their teams vs flying far away. They are required to schedule 1 P5 non conference. Better chance of beating us than an SEC team ( only other P5 conference in the region )
I wanna get on board but you’re void of coherent rationale.
tyndal23 wrote: ↑May 7th, 2021, 2:32 pmA. By definition, that’s a logical fallacy.
It is a win if their local fan base can drive to see them lose...
JK37 wrote: ↑May 9th, 2021, 12:49 amNonsense. I already laid out in depth and listed the scheduling philosophies and teams we can get for one off away games and a few one for one in prior posts ( with the financial incentives )tyndal23 wrote: ↑May 7th, 2021, 2:32 pmA. By definition, that’s a logical fallacy.
It is a win if their local fan base can drive to see them lose...
Hence the humor. If you are DUke,WF,NC State - what P5 teams are you scheduling for the 1 non con and why? Is it geography and winnable ? List the teams and then tell me again why LU wouldn’t be attractive as a P5 equivalent.
B. You’re wrong. On which point?
C. You’ve never coached or scheduled if you think this. Ain’t no coach who will be okay with this. Or AD. Or President. Let alone fans. You got me I have never been and AD or President. I can however tell you 3 P5 times that are more beatable than UAB,Louisiana, and Army just from this coming season. And i can also tell you a lot more eyeballs on an away P5 game than on a home Thanksgiving week game with no fans / students in attendance. What do we get from having a home game that week ?
Do you really think VT would’ve said their loss to us was better if it was at Williams Stadium? You think NC State wants anything to do with LU at Williams after edging out a squeaker last year? And on too of that, you think just arbitrarily naming LU a P5 equivalent will make them all feel BETTER about losing? Of course they don’t if we are a G5 just like they really don’t want to go back to ODU or play JMU again. YES they will feel better if their conference commissioner arbitrarily allow’s LU to count as a P5 game and we have P5 athletes and P5 schedule - they feel much better than losing to East Carolina or App St or Charlotte G5 level teams....
D. What are you smoking?
E. Are you sharing?
The P5’s was come thisclose on two separate occasions (that we know of) to breaking away and forming their own organization. Announcing a new P5 equivalent legitimizes that school. Of the 60 P5’s, I honestly think there is only one who would t mind legitimizing LU in such a way.
Allowing LU in a conference legitimizes us, those of you that keep saying just win and someday a P5 Conference will let us in are the one’s smoking something. Getting ACC to count us as a G5 equivalent is 100 times simpler, commish decision, no $ away from ACC, easy travel.
59-1. That’s your climb. Good luck!
The reason conferences require their members to schedule at least one OOC P5 is SOS. The flaw in your path is that in order for LU to gain the legitimacy necessary for a conference to allow its membership to consider LU to count as a P5 equivalent, LU would have to convince enough of them to schedule them, and the. Go win a bunch of them. This would be needed BEFORE LU is deemed P5 equivalent. BEFORE it it’s worth taking the risk. You think scheduling was hard before...
tyndal23 wrote: ↑May 9th, 2021, 2:02 pmResponses are in body of message for each line item.JK37 wrote: ↑May 9th, 2021, 12:49 amNonsense. I already laid out in depth and listed the scheduling philosophies and teams we can get for one off away games and a few one for one in prior posts ( with the financial incentives )tyndal23 wrote: ↑May 7th, 2021, 2:32 pmA. By definition, that’s a logical fallacy.
It is a win if their local fan base can drive to see them lose...
Hence the humor. If you are DUke,WF,NC State - what P5 teams are you scheduling for the 1 non con and why? Is it geography and winnable ? List the teams and then tell me again why LU wouldn’t be attractive as a P5 equivalent.
B. You’re wrong. On which point?
C. You’ve never coached or scheduled if you think this. Ain’t no coach who will be okay with this. Or AD. Or President. Let alone fans. You got me I have never been and AD or President. I can however tell you 3 P5 times that are more beatable than UAB,Louisiana, and Army just from this coming season. And i can also tell you a lot more eyeballs on an away P5 game than on a home Thanksgiving week game with no fans / students in attendance. What do we get from having a home game that week ?
Do you really think VT would’ve said their loss to us was better if it was at Williams Stadium? You think NC State wants anything to do with LU at Williams after edging out a squeaker last year? And on too of that, you think just arbitrarily naming LU a P5 equivalent will make them all feel BETTER about losing? Of course they don’t if we are a G5 just like they really don’t want to go back to ODU or play JMU again. YES they will feel better if their conference commissioner arbitrarily allow’s LU to count as a P5 game and we have P5 athletes and P5 schedule - they feel much better than losing to East Carolina or App St or Charlotte G5 level teams....
D. What are you smoking?
E. Are you sharing?
The P5’s was come thisclose on two separate occasions (that we know of) to breaking away and forming their own organization. Announcing a new P5 equivalent legitimizes that school. Of the 60 P5’s, I honestly think there is only one who would t mind legitimizing LU in such a way.
Allowing LU in a conference legitimizes us, those of you that keep saying just win and someday a P5 Conference will let us in are the one’s smoking something. Getting ACC to count us as a G5 equivalent is 100 times simpler, commish decision, no $ away from ACC, easy travel.
59-1. That’s your climb. Good luck!
The reason conferences require their members to schedule at least one OOC P5 is SOS. The flaw in your path is that in order for LU to gain the legitimacy necessary for a conference to allow its membership to consider LU to count as a P5 equivalent, LU would have to convince enough of them to schedule them, and the. Go win a bunch of them. This would be needed BEFORE LU is deemed P5 equivalent. BEFORE it it’s worth taking the risk. You think scheduling was hard before...
Try harder...your getting like Purple.
Kricket wrote: ↑May 9th, 2021, 9:08 am P5s will play us if they can make money and get attention for playing us. That's why BYU is attractive for them. It's not because BYU has better players. It's because of the money and attention playing BYU brings.To support this, BYU has a large national fanbase that regularly has games with more than a million viewers. Even the games against small G5 teams get over 500k viewers. Not to mention their average attendance is over 50,000 and they travel well. Liberty is nowhere near this level yet.
Ill flame wrote: ↑May 9th, 2021, 9:07 pmI’ve been beating that drum forever. LU needs to put facts on the ground. Which in this case is eyeballs on the team. A fan base. Which currently LU really does not have. Not to say they aren’t working on it.Kricket wrote: ↑May 9th, 2021, 9:08 am P5s will play us if they can make money and get attention for playing us. That's why BYU is attractive for them. It's not because BYU has better players. It's because of the money and attention playing BYU brings.To support this, BYU has a large national fanbase that regularly has games with more than a million viewers. Even the games against small G5 teams get over 500k viewers. Not to mention their average attendance is over 50,000 and they travel well. Liberty is nowhere near this level yet.
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ballcoach15 wrote: ↑June 8th, 2021, 9:02 am Boise State is too far west for AAC.let's hope provo is to
Sly Fox wrote: ↑June 8th, 2021, 9:41 am The amount of online speculation about three teams out west joining the AAC has been significant. It looks like the AAC is using Dodds to dampen enthusiasm from Boisee San Diego and likely Colorado Springs.They seat 47k.
The Mormons have ZERO interest in the AAC. I suspect the AAC's top candidate is on our schedule this fall playing in a brand new crib. But that assumes the AAC is actively looking to expand.
Purple Haize wrote: ↑May 9th, 2021, 9:22 pmYou know my version of how to do that = P5 Indie scheduling/budget philosophy and avoid G5 conference path at all costs. P5 road games nationally ( 1 Pac 12 annually, 1 Big 12 annually. Focus on Future TV $ first and Lynchburg fan base and stadium expansion last - what is your ( or anyone) alternate recommendation and reasons why. ( other than just win and go to cure bowl forever and someday we will x.....Tell me where the loyal local fan base is coming from if Lynchburg residents despise LU and our alumni are scattered nationally. Doesn’t have to be Purple, but someone lay out the plan. Also, if your goal is AAC, give me the odds of Presidents of those schools voting us in ( especially if they are about to get a guaranteed seat in playoff expansion - what is in it for them? I assume Ian is in their ear and has some $ to play with to entice an offer, but just politically, what are our chances ( immediate ) and what would change ( politically )if we took a longer term goal of eventually being worthy of an AAC invite. I haven’t seen anyone break down the academic and political roadblocks ( like you did ACC ). Maybe it is dramatically better, I haven’t researched that aspect. Anyone?Ill flame wrote: ↑May 9th, 2021, 9:07 pmI’ve been beating that drum forever. LU needs to put facts on the ground. Which in this case is eyeballs on the team. A fan base. Which currently LU really does not have. Not to say they aren’t working on it.Kricket wrote: ↑May 9th, 2021, 9:08 am P5s will play us if they can make money and get attention for playing us. That's why BYU is attractive for them. It's not because BYU has better players. It's because of the money and attention playing BYU brings.To support this, BYU has a large national fanbase that regularly has games with more than a million viewers. Even the games against small G5 teams get over 500k viewers. Not to mention their average attendance is over 50,000 and they travel well. Liberty is nowhere near this level yet.
[https://espn960sports.com/news/comparin ... 9-to-2020/]
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