A Sea Of Red

With all the talk going on, this is going to be one of the most interesting votes when it comes time for Kurt's name to be called.

Does his body of work with the Rams/Cardinals (I think he'd like to forget his brief stint as a Giant) get him in Canton?

We're talking about the Pro Football Hall of fame in Canton ... not Cooperstown. The standards are much lower and his numbers stack up very nicely in comparison to most of his contemporaries.

Sly Fox wrote:We're talking about the Pro Football Hall of fame in Canton ... not Cooperstown. The standards are much lower and his numbers stack up very nicely in comparison to most of his contemporaries.

Absolutely he belongs. Initially I looked up some stats real quick from some recent HOF QB's (Steve Young, etc.) and was surprised that Warner has a lot of stats that are significantly better....then found a guy who summarized a lot. I'll put in some interesting notes below but the full article/blog...( It was written last spring right after/during the Super Bowl. So these stats don't include this year, but Warner actually had a year that will increase some of his averages, and certainly not significantly decrease any.

The article is found here: http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/537

It basically compares Warner to 12 quarterbacks: Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw, John Elway, Dan Fouts, Bob Greise, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Warren Moon, Joe Namath, Roger Staubach and Steve Young.

No shock that in nearly all passing categories Warner is ahead of them all. Bradshaw, Aikman & Montana are the only QBs with more championships, although Warner is near the bottom with only 3 Pro-bowls. But that also indicates the other great QBs of his era.

Warner has more Yards per Game than any of the 12 QBs, and more TDs per game than all except Marino (marins is 1.74 Warner 1.65). He also boasts the best Completion % (a full point higher than Young and 2 percentage points higher than anyone else). He has played in the fewest games of those 12 but if you look at his yards and total stats they match up favorable with a lot of guys (within 1,000 yards of Steve Young in passing). He has the 2nd best QB rating (to Steve Young) out of the group and is middle of the back (6th) in both interception % and sack %.

Good stuff. Certainly his playoff numbers help him, and the argument can be made he played in pass happy offenses etc. But he still completed well over 60% of his passes, kept a high QB rating, is well respected among his peers, and both his overall #'s and averages are better than the majority of the guys in the HOF. Imagine if he would have started for more than what, 8 years? Maybe 9? And of those years 3 or 4 of them he didn't play a full 16 games. I want to see a good argument to keep him out.

i would say yes.

Sure he will be. MVP of the NFL twice and has the 3 highest passing yard games in the SB. Besides all that, he has played 18 holes of golf with me twice and we have had dinner together several times, that alone, should get him in.

Even if it were hard to get into, he deserves it. What more could he do? Go back in time and tell all the idiots who kept ignoring him that he really is a Pro Bowl QB?

Definately.

One of the greatest QB's of all time.

If he played the exact same game in Dallas, or had his glory years in NY instead of St. Louis and Arizona, he'd be in the Pro Bowl every year.

flameshaw wrote:Sure he will be. MVP of the NFL twice and has the 3 highest passing yard games in the SB. Besides all that, he has played 18 holes of golf with me twice and we have had dinner together several times, that alone, should get him in.

Oh yeah! Well Kurt Warner is my dad!

That is all.

Wow, a clean sweep.

Is this still a question?


I think a better question is over under 5 years after retirement of there being a movie about his story

Hold My Own wrote:Is this still a question?


I think a better question is over under 5 years after retirement of there being a movie about his story

Id say Push on that....if its done in exactly 5 years ( when he is voted into the hall) its like free marketing/publicity...why pass that up?

I find it interesting that as recently as the aftermath of last year's Super Bowl when Warner was considering retirement,there was a lot of debate over whether he was worthy of the HOF. Now, a year later, he is a lock here on FF, and although there may be a bit more scepticism or outright bias amongst HOF voters, It looks to me like he is in.

Rocketfan wrote:

Hold My Own wrote:Is this still a question?


I think a better question is over under 5 years after retirement of there being a movie about his story

Id say Push on that....if its done in exactly 5 years ( when he is voted into the hall) its like free marketing/publicity...why pass that up?

Odds that it's a church produced movie and Warner is played by Kirk Cameron? 5:1

LUconn wrote: Odds that it's a church produced movie and Warner is played by Kirk Cameron? 5:1

More like 2:1

Id go 6:5

You would have to find a director that would make Kirk look athletic...without CGI im not sure thats possible...haha.

The makeup people would stay busy too. Kurt Warner's beard grows more in 8 hours than Kurt Cameron's does in 8 weeks.