Jose Canseco, whose 2005 book arguably started the cascade of revelations and an investigation into the performance-enhancing drugs in baseball, barely raised an eyebrow when he was told David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez are reportedly on the list of 104 players who tested positive in 2003.
"When you tell me something I didn't already know, I'll be surprised,'' Canseco told ESPN. "And I'll tell you this, Major League Baseball is going to have a big, big problem on their hands when they find out they have a Hall of Famer who's used."
My guess with the timing.....could be Ricky Henderson...
Posted: July 30th, 2009, 5:00 pm
by ALUmnus
As in, someone who's already in the Hall, or someone who's considered a Hall of Famer? If it's someone who's already in, I'll start the speculation and say, hmmm.....Ty Cobb.
Posted: July 30th, 2009, 5:05 pm
by RubberMallet
ricky.
Posted: July 30th, 2009, 5:36 pm
by BJWilliams
Well if they have someone in the Hall already that used steroids that really casts a pretty heavy burden on the writers because many of them went on record and said they wouldnt vote someone who was known to have used performance enhancing drugs (McGwire, Bonds, A-Rod, all the other guys from the "steroid era". All I can say is MLB better pray to God Albert Pujols or Ken Griffey Jr or Chipper Jones or some of these players who are considered virtual locks for the Hall are clean (although with all these revelations you cant help but wonder if anybody was clean)
Posted: July 30th, 2009, 5:36 pm
by Hold My Own
Rocketfan wrote:Ricky Henderson
Posted: July 30th, 2009, 5:47 pm
by Liberty4Life
Mickey Mantle. That's why he missed part of the 1961 season. He was given an injection of amphetamines and steroids by a guy named "Dr. Feelgood". The injection was botched, and Mantle had to sit because of an abscessed hip.
And then there's Pud Galvin, the 19th Century baseball star. From his wikipedia page:
Galvin was the first baseball player to be widely known for using performance-enhancing drugs. In 1889, over 100 years before the current steroid controversy in Major League Baseball, Galvin openly used the Brown-Séquard elixir, which contained monkey testosterone.[1]
Yes. Monkey Testosterone.
And the answer to the other question is probably Rickey Henderson, who was on the same Oakland A's team with Canseco in the late 80s / early 90s.
Posted: July 30th, 2009, 5:51 pm
by Liberty4Life
Liberty4Life wrote:Mickey Mantle. That's why he missed part of the 1961 season. He was given an injection of amphetamines and steroids by a guy named "Dr. Feelgood". The injection was botched, and Mantle had to sit because of an abscessed hip.
And then there's Pud Galvin, the 19th Century baseball star. From his wikipedia page:
Galvin was the first baseball player to be widely known for using performance-enhancing drugs. In 1889, over 100 years before the current steroid controversy in Major League Baseball, Galvin openly used the Brown-Séquard elixir, which contained monkey testosterone.[1]
Yes. Monkey Testosterone.
And the answer to the other question is probably Rickey Henderson, who was on the same Oakland A's team with Canseco in the late 80s / early 90s.
Actually, I'm changing my "probably" to Dennis Eckersely. You're looking at a guy whose career endured a late resurgence, and was on the same Canseco team. That's my guess. Other than the two I mentioned before, who were users.
Posted: July 30th, 2009, 6:39 pm
by rueful
BJWilliams wrote:Well if they have someone in the Hall already that used steroids that really casts a pretty heavy burden on the writers because many of them went on record and said they wouldnt vote someone who was known to have used performance enhancing drugs (McGwire, Bonds, A-Rod, all the other guys from the "steroid era". All I can say is MLB better pray to God Albert Pujols or Ken Griffey Jr or Chipper Jones or some of these players who are considered virtual locks for the Hall are clean (although with all these revelations you cant help but wonder if anybody was clean)
I cant speak for Chipper Jones, but I do know that Albert Pujols and Ken Griffey Jr. are pretty strong Christians. Not saying that makes them immune from steroid use, but I do think it very unlikely either of those 2 used. They dont have the typical steroidial look either.
BJWilliams wrote:Well if they have someone in the Hall already that used steroids that really casts a pretty heavy burden on the writers because many of them went on record and said they wouldnt vote someone who was known to have used performance enhancing drugs (McGwire, Bonds, A-Rod, all the other guys from the "steroid era". All I can say is MLB better pray to God Albert Pujols or Ken Griffey Jr or Chipper Jones or some of these players who are considered virtual locks for the Hall are clean (although with all these revelations you cant help but wonder if anybody was clean)
I cant speak for Chipper Jones, but I do know that Albert Pujols and Ken Griffey Jr. are pretty strong Christians. Not saying that makes them immune from steroid use, but I do think it very unlikely either of those 2 used. They dont have the typical steroidial look either.
Andy Pettitte is a strong Christian. Off the top of my head, Paul Byrd is, too, and he was on the Mitchell Report (he still denies using steroids, though).
As for Griffey and Pujols, but I think mostly Griffey because he was THE man in the 90s, during the steroid heydey... I really, really hope they didn't roid.
Posted: July 30th, 2009, 9:51 pm
by adam42381
rueful wrote:I cant speak for Chipper Jones, but I do know that Albert Pujols and Ken Griffey Jr. are pretty strong Christians. Not saying that makes them immune from steroid use, but I do think it very unlikely either of those 2 used. They dont have the typical steroidial look either.
Pujols doesn't look like a roider? Come on. He's built like a WWE superstar.
BTW, the first name I thought of when I heard what Canseco said was Rickey. I hope not, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Posted: July 30th, 2009, 10:49 pm
by GoEagles
rueful wrote:
They dont have the typical steroidial look either.
Pujols looks like Lou Ferrigno...People are even questioning Cal Ripken, being close friends with Brady Anderson. It's hard to believe that guys we grew up loving and idolizing could be juicing but its also hard to be surprised these days.
Posted: July 30th, 2009, 11:12 pm
by Hold My Own
Rubber: He's swinging like that in coed???? HAHA wow
Adam: If you have doubts if Ricky used look at photos with his last years with the A's and Padre's thats all you need to see
Posted: July 31st, 2009, 1:42 am
by adam42381
Hold My Own wrote:Rubber: He's swinging like that in coed???? HAHA wow
Adam: If you have doubts if Ricky used look at photos with his last years with the A's and Padre's thats all you need to see
I don't really have any doubts. Rickey was the first name I thought of when it came up. What are your thoughts about Pujols, Tyler?
haha.....the dude sounds like the color man in the movie Major League.......Monty Whatshisname
"fly ball.....................caught"
Posted: July 31st, 2009, 9:27 am
by RubberMallet
Hold My Own wrote:Rubber: He's swinging like that in coed???? HAHA wow
he probably has to swing for the fences in coed so he doesn't kill a chick.
he made a brand new freak 98 sound like it had 2000 swings on it.
Posted: July 31st, 2009, 10:48 am
by BUSIMAN23
Is anyone actually bothered by steroids? I think the MLB is very hypocritical with their stance on steroids. Remember the lockout or strike back in the mid 90's. When they got back to playing baseball popularity really took a hit. It wasnt really til the home run race where the fans started getting back into the game of baseball. They made so much money off of the juicers such as Mcguire, and Sosa and many others. Those guys really got the fans back into the game. I got to watch Sosa hit number 61 and it was one of the greatest experiences of my life. I just think a lot of people are being hypocritical including the fans. I love baseball but I do enjoy watching a guy hit 70 hrs in a year.
Posted: July 31st, 2009, 5:07 pm
by JK37
BUSIMAN23 wrote: I got to watch Sosa hit number 61 and it was one of the greatest experiences of my life.
Really?! C'mon.
BUSIMAN23 wrote:I just think a lot of people are being hypocritical including the fans. I love baseball but I do enjoy watching a guy hit 70 hrs in a year.
The League probably is being a bit hypocritical. You're not a hypocrite - you're being much too honest for that. However, you are showing that you prefer to be entertained and wowed no matter the cost, as opposed to appreciating the pure feats achieved by natural athletes within the sport.
To use your example, sure a guy can hit 70 homers in his 30's if he's popping pills. But its more impressive when someone consistently hits 40-50/year by way of little more than work ethic and determination.
Posted: August 2nd, 2009, 11:49 am
by scuzdriver
I thought the same thing. If that was one of the greatest moments of your life you are either very young or just don't have a lot going on in your life that is very memorable. Sorry for you.
Posted: August 2nd, 2009, 2:22 pm
by RubberMallet
the hr race got me back into baseball....i stopped caring around jr high. i quit playing baseball and stopped caring....
i have no problem acknowledging that it was the point at which i got back into baseball...
Posted: August 3rd, 2009, 8:56 am
by BUSIMAN23
scuzdriver wrote:I thought the same thing. If that was one of the greatest moments of your life you are either very young or just don't have a lot going on in your life that is very memorable. Sorry for you.
Maybe I over exaggerated a little, regardless it was a memorable moment. I am sure you guys live some fantastic adventurous lives
Posted: August 3rd, 2009, 9:43 am
by Liberty4Life
One thing you guys forget, is that during the time the steroid allegation came up... to which some players, such as McGwire, essentially admitted to using a substance known as "andro", which was banned by all sports except Major League Baseball.
That doesn't really constitute "cheating". However, there is significant evidence (that we know now) that points to these guys using more than just allowable drugs.
Posted: August 3rd, 2009, 10:36 am
by 4everfsu
Was steroids during the time before MLB started testing againist the law either at the state or federal level?
