A Sea Of Red

No more Calipari.....and no more 2007-08 victories?

ESPN wrote: Report: Rose may have cheated on SAT

The Memphis men's basketball program has been charged by the NCAA with major violations during the 2007-08 season under former coach John Calipari.

The Memphis Commercial Appeal first reported the story on Wednesday after obtaining a letter detailing the allegations through the Freedom of Information Act.

The allegations include "knowing fraudulence or misconduct" on an SAT exam by a player on the 2007-08 team.

The wording of the letter to Memphis indicates that the player in question only competed during the 2007-08 season and the 2008 NCAA tournament. The player's name was redacted in the letter due to privacy laws.

Sources told ESPN.com Wednesday night that Derrick Rose was the player in question. He played only one season for Memphis before being selected as the first pick in the 2008 draft by the Chicago Bulls.

The letter also alleged that Memphis provided $2,260 in free travel to road games for an associate of a player. The NCAA is charging Memphis with a failure to monitor.

If the NCAA allegations are proven true, Memphis might have to forfeit their NCAA-record 38 victories and Final Four appearance.

Rest of the story
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4210798

violations should follow coachs not schools

Hold My Own wrote:violations should follow coachs not schools

Id say both. Most schools have an idea whats going on and if they dont its their own fault.

Both deserve a share of the punishment. It's only a matter of time before Kentucky succumbs to these type of probes.

it's kind of hard for violations to follow a coach when the coach isn't even going to be charged with any violations.

If Calipari didn’t know what was going on with his star recruit’s eligibility then he’s a much bigger moron than I thought he was.

Just look at him...he looks as clean as Ricky P...those both look like they are on the up and up with all their behind the scenes situations

ok, I guess we'll use this thread.

http://yourseason.suntimes.com/boys_bas ... on.article

‘‘[Smith and I] didn’t know anything about his test,’’ Topps said. ‘‘Reggie moved me and him out of the way long before that, as soon as the money got involved.’’

uhhhh, money?

flamesbball84 wrote:it's kind of hard for violations to follow a coach when the coach isn't even going to be charged with any violations.

Then maybe its time to begin charging the coach. Failure to monitor is an offense which can be charged to a coach, at least in part.

And, if there is any money involved, and any of it can be traced back to recruitment (such as a promise of the travel privileges to the associate), then the coach can be fully implicated and charged.

jcmanson wrote:If Calipari didn’t know what was going on with his star recruit’s eligibility then he’s a much bigger moron than I thought he was.

Exactly.

There was a situation not too long ago at a high school near me where the basketball team was using ineligible players. The team went on to win the state title, but then later the title was stripped from them because the ineligible players were caught. The coach was fired, and he DENIED everything. How could you not know that some of your players are from another school district?

flames1971 wrote:[
There was a situation not too long ago at a high school near me where the basketball team was using ineligible players. The team went on to win the state title, but then later the title was stripped from them because the ineligible players were caught. The coach was fired, and he DENIED everything. How could you not know that some of your players are from another school district?

You live near Greensboro don't you?

Here's this from a Mike DeCourcy article of the Sporting News:
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/vi ... p?t=553953

Under ordinary circumstances , the issues involving the basketball team would be disposed of fairly simply. The accusation that a player, reportedly star point guard Derrick Rose, did not take his own SAT is a huge deal. There's not much worse than academic fraud. But this customarily would not constitute a major violation against the program because no Memphis staff member is alleged to have facilitated it or known about it.

A charge that a family member of a player received free travel, reportedly Rose's brother Reggie, would be disposed of with a check to reimburse the university for its expense.

these allegations weren't discovered until the ncaa came in to investigate major violations with women's golf, hence why he says "under ordinary circumstances."

The university apparently feels good about its response to the charges. There has been speculation that if a player cheated on his SAT and rendered himself ineligible that the Tigers' NCAA-record 38 victories and 2008 Final Four appearance could be vacated. However, if it's not proven Memphis had reason to know the player was ineligible -- indeed, the NCAA clearinghouse had certified the eligibility of that season's freshmen -- it would be hard to justify that action. The coaches were told the kid could play, so they played him.

If the NCAA Clearinghouse cleared Derrick Rose and if the Memphis coaching staff did not know the player was ineligible, then the NCAA has no one to blame but themselves. To me, it seems like the burden of proof lies entirely on the NCAA, not Memphis, because the NCAA has to be able to prove that Derrick Rose didn't take the test AND that the Memphis coaching staff knew about it.

The only good news for Calipari in all this is the NCAA pretty much turned over the tables in the Tigers basketball program once it entered the door to check on women's golf. If this is all there was to find, the basketball program was being run reasonably well

flamesbball84 wrote: If the NCAA Clearinghouse cleared Derrick Rose and if the Memphis coaching staff did not know the player was ineligible, then the NCAA has no one to blame but themselves. To me, it seems like the burden of proof lies entirely on the NCAA, not Memphis, because the NCAA has to be able to prove that Derrick Rose didn't take the test AND that the Memphis coaching staff knew about it.

Please tell me you're joking. This is not the way it has ever worked. Marcus Camby took money from agents. And since the squid was cleared in that whole ordeal (remember, he's clean!) the staff "didn't know about it". And yet Umass still has 0 final fours. And since when does the clearinghouse shoulder 100% of the burden when they clear a player. They clear every single player that plays in the NCAA. And yet some are found to be ineligible after the fact. If an ineligible player plays in a game, that game is forfeited.

SuperJon wrote:

flames1971 wrote:[
There was a situation not too long ago at a high school near me where the basketball team was using ineligible players. The team went on to win the state title, but then later the title was stripped from them because the ineligible players were caught. The coach was fired, and he DENIED everything. How could you not know that some of your players are from another school district?

You live near Greensboro don't you?

Maybe

here's an excerpt from a very good Jay Bilas article on the situation..

Remember, the Notice mentioned the name of a representative of Memphis' athletic interests over a single phone call. If the NCAA had anything on Calipari, it would have unloaded it in the Notice. It does not.

And it has become acceptable now to blame Calipari for Marcus Camby's acceptance of money from two different agents in 1996, even though the coach was cleared of any wrongdoing in that case. The fact that Camby took money is being blamed on Calipari, and the situations at UMass and Memphis are being linked in an attempt to imply that Calipari is dirty in this matter as well. It is a cheap smear, and one without evidence to back it up.
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And to continue to discredit Calipari with references to wrongdoing he played no part in is simply wrong. If there is evidence that Calipari knew about or participated in the alleged academic fraud, then bring it forward. Just mentioning Camby and a vacated Final Four appearance does not tell us anything about the current situation.

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/insider/ ... id=4227055