A Sea Of Red

How is nobody talking about this? Where are all the UNC apologists? Tech winning 74-71 with 2:20 to go

and now VT starts to give it away...jack a 3, then foul Hansboro, who makes 2 Ft's to take the lead 75-74 with 1:13 to go

HenryGale wrote:How is nobody talking about this? Where are all the UNC apologists? Tech winning 74-71 with 2:20 to go

Ask my friends, I've been saying since before the game I don't care what happens today. If they lose, ok. If they win, great.

How does Greenberg not get T-ed up multiple times a game?

Don't read Greenburg's lips!

Tech mugged in the paint--with no foul called!

Yea...it was a pretty bad call

Jump ball call was horrible. His whole arm got raked.

They have let some things go and called some touch fouls all game. I thought it could go either way and I'm definitely not complaining.

I am not a fan of either team, but I think the call was terrible. He had none of the ball and all of his arm. Too bad for Tech...NIT

Hansbrough, the overrated unamious all Acc-er, will not only leave college without a national title, but will crap out in the NBA as well when every call doesn't go his way.

I hate the Heels. I can at least respect VT.

Jump ball call didn't cost VT the game. Might not have been the correct call, but didn't cost them the game.

SuperJon wrote:

HenryGale wrote:How is nobody talking about this? Where are all the UNC apologists? Tech winning 74-71 with 2:20 to go

Ask my friends, I've been saying since before the game I don't care what happens today. If they lose, ok. If they win, great.

I agree with you....this game (really, the ACC tournament fwiw) isn't terribly important for the Heels. A healthy Ty Lawson for the NCAA tournament should be priority #1 for UNC. Don't get me wrong though, I am happy UNC won...

blwall1416 wrote:Jump ball call didn't cost VT the game. Might not have been the correct call, but didn't cost them the game.

Never said it cost them the game, but it sure did make it much more difficult for them to win. If you are going to the line to shoot 2 with 5 seconds to go and down 1 is a whole lot easier to overcome than giving the other team the ball in the same situation.

I don't see how it didn't cost them the game. It's a foul. They should be inbounding the ball with like 5 seconds left on their own side of the court. There's no guarantee that they go on to win but it's probably 80-100 times more likely than what they had to try to do.

markymark550 wrote:

SuperJon wrote:

HenryGale wrote:How is nobody talking about this? Where are all the UNC apologists? Tech winning 74-71 with 2:20 to go

Ask my friends, I've been saying since before the game I don't care what happens today. If they lose, ok. If they win, great.

I agree with you....this game (really, the ACC tournament fwiw) isn't terribly important for the Heels. A healthy Ty Lawson for the NCAA tournament should be priority #1 for UNC. Don't get me wrong though, I am happy UNC won...

Which is why I hope UNC keeps Lawson out for the rest of the tourney. Duke has zero answer of for him and if it comes down to Duke/UNC again, I like Duke's chances at a Lawson-less UNC team.

Tech had 24 seconds to score one point and didn't even get a shot up. Not one. I would've felt a lot worse for them if they had actually put a shot up to try and score before that. They had almost thrown it away once before. Who's to say they wouldn't have done it again if they called the foul? With the way they were playing, there's just a good of a chance they throw the ball away, miss the shot, or don't even get a shot as it is they make the shot to go up.

LUconn wrote:I don't see how it didn't cost them the game. It's a foul. They should be inbounding the ball with like 5 seconds left on their own side of the court. There's no guarantee that they go on to win but it's probably 80-100 times more likely than what they had to try to do.

And Carolina's chances would have increased with calling the goaltend.

SJ makes the point. VT lost the game. Plus, no one would have had any problems with the jump ball call if the possession arrow favored VT.

Being at work I haven't seen replays, but I'm hearing (from non-UNC fans) the overhead cam shows it was the correct call...that is was a typical jump ball kind of play.

SuperJon wrote:Tech had 24 seconds to score one point and didn't even get a shot up. Not one. I would've felt a lot worse for them if they had actually put a shot up to try and score before that. They had almost thrown it away once before. Who's to say they wouldn't have done it again if they called the foul? With the way they were playing, there's just a good of a chance they throw the ball away, miss the shot, or don't even get a shot as it is they make the shot to go up.

What terrible logic...they were going to throw it away anyway, so there is no need to call the foul. The foul happened, should have been called, what they do after that is what happens...not what may have happened because they mismanaged the clock, or were going to throw it away.

blwall1416 wrote:

LUconn wrote:I don't see how it didn't cost them the game. It's a foul. They should be inbounding the ball with like 5 seconds left on their own side of the court. There's no guarantee that they go on to win but it's probably 80-100 times more likely than what they had to try to do.

And Carolina's chances would have increased with calling the goaltend.

SJ makes the point. VT lost the game. Plus, no one would have had any problems with the jump ball call if the possession arrow favored VT.

Being at work I haven't seen replays, but I'm hearing (from non-UNC fans) the overhead cam shows it was the correct call...that is was a typical jump ball kind of play.

If you see the angle from the view of half court, obviously got nothing but arm. (and again...I have no affiliation to Tech at all. Completely unbiased)

HenryGale wrote:If you see the angle from the view of half court, obviously got nothing but arm. (and again...I have no affiliation to Tech at all. Completely unbiased)

IMO the jump ball was correct. You can't just walk into a triple team, bring the ball down to your chest, and hope you get fouled by someone. I criticize our boys too when they do stupid plays like that. Anyone who plays basketball knows that you can't get surrounded by taller defenders and just wait for the refs to bail you out.

Thompson was trapped and the ball became stationary. That's a textbook jump ball situation. If Thompson had not brought the ball back down, Hansbrough would not have touched it.

TDDance234 wrote:

markymark550 wrote:I agree with you....this game (really, the ACC tournament fwiw) isn't terribly important for the Heels. A healthy Ty Lawson for the NCAA tournament should be priority #1 for UNC. Don't get me wrong though, I am happy UNC won...

Which is why I hope UNC keeps Lawson out for the rest of the tourney. Duke has zero answer of for him and if it comes down to Duke/UNC again, I like Duke's chances at a Lawson-less UNC team.

Assuming they can win tomorrow w/o Lawson. They can beat Ga. Tech w/o him....not so sure if they can beat FSU w/o him....

blwall1416 wrote:

LUconn wrote:I don't see how it didn't cost them the game. It's a foul. They should be inbounding the ball with like 5 seconds left on their own side of the court. There's no guarantee that they go on to win but it's probably 80-100 times more likely than what they had to try to do.

And Carolina's chances would have increased with calling the goaltend.

SJ makes the point. VT lost the game. Plus, no one would have had any problems with the jump ball call if the possession arrow favored VT.

Being at work I haven't seen replays, but I'm hearing (from non-UNC fans) the overhead cam shows it was the correct call...that is was a typical jump ball kind of play.

Hey as long as you're in this thread, I asked this question in another thread. If somebody releases the ball before the light turns red at the end of a game (or half I guess) and the defender tips the ball going for a block AFTER the light turns red and the ball still goes in, does it count?

LUconn wrote:If somebody releases the ball before the light turns red at the end of a game (or half I guess) and the defender tips the ball going for a block AFTER the light turns red and the ball still goes in, does it count?

It counts. A try in flight has to end.

Imagine if you could do what you mentioned - Team A down by 2 pts....last second shot from 3-pt land.........horn goes off while ball is in flight.....team B jumps up in front of the rim & grabs the ball as it is above the rim & has a chance to go in. Team B wins.

But, in reality, we have goaltending. Team A would win due to the violation, even though it occurred after the horn sounded. So yes, you do count the basket in the situation you brought up.

LUconn wrote:

blwall1416 wrote:

LUconn wrote:I don't see how it didn't cost them the game. It's a foul. They should be inbounding the ball with like 5 seconds left on their own side of the court. There's no guarantee that they go on to win but it's probably 80-100 times more likely than what they had to try to do.

And Carolina's chances would have increased with calling the goaltend.

SJ makes the point. VT lost the game. Plus, no one would have had any problems with the jump ball call if the possession arrow favored VT.

Being at work I haven't seen replays, but I'm hearing (from non-UNC fans) the overhead cam shows it was the correct call...that is was a typical jump ball kind of play.

Hey as long as you're in this thread, I asked this question in another thread. If somebody releases the ball before the light turns red at the end of a game (or half I guess) and the defender tips the ball going for a block AFTER the light turns red and the ball still goes in, does it count?

I agree...refs should not bail out players. But by definition, if the defender has his hand on the ball, jump ball, but if he has his hand on the shooters arm, foul? Bail out or not....not the refs decision.