[Ed Dantes]

In 2003, when he won the American League home run title and the AL Most Valuable Player award as a shortstop for the Texas Rangers, Alex Rodriguez tested positive for two anabolic steroids, four sources have independently told Sports Illustrated.

Rodriguez's name appears on a list of 104 players who tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in Major League Baseball's '03 survey testing, SI's sources say. As part of a joint agreement with the MLB Players Association, the testing was conducted to determine if it was necessary to impose mandatory random drug testing across the major leagues in 2004.

When approached by an SI reporter on Thursday at a gym in Miami, Rodriguez declined to discuss his 2003 test results. "You'll have to talk to the union," said Rodriguez, the Yankees' third baseman since his trade to New York in February 2004. When asked if there was an explanation for his positive test, he said, "I'm not saying anything."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/b ... index.html

[SuperJon]

I don't think this would surprise anyone.

[TDDance234]

Uhoh.

Maybe A-Fraud was appropriate.

[Hold My Own]

Without a doubt...started back in high school Jr year...hopefully though he was smart enough to trust those that knew about it so it doesnt ever get leaked

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Maybe he should have started a Cycle In October to win some ball games.


I have a Hilarious video to insert here, but it has TERRIBLE language. Can I post it with a warning?

[Sly Fox]

Somewhere Canseco is sitting in his barcalounger smiling.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Can I take that as a yes from Sly?

[Sly Fox]

Let's just say this has been a general consensus in certain circles for some time now.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Let's just say this has been a general consensus in certain circles for some time now.

Im asking about my post, about the video.

[Sly Fox]

Don't embed it and give warning about the link.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Eh, If you want the Video PM me, its hilarious lol Not trying to get anyone in trouble... coolhandluke language advisory

[jcmanson]

Are we even surprised any more? I'm surprised when I find out that an athlete doesn't use steroids.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Tyler Baker Doesnt!

[absturgill]

Bob Costas is interviewing the co-author of the article on MLB Network. The interview has been going on now for about 25 minutes.

[prototype]

I'M SO SICK OF THE STEROID TALK!!! WHO CARES. You know what I want - I want A-Rod and all the other hundreds of athletes to get national time and say something like the following...

"Our fans and the media are idiots!!! Most of us are not taking steroids to get buff or enhance our games to hit 900 Home runs in a season, yet to just help our bodies recover on a nightly basis to play the next game. We play over a 162 games a year - most back to back. When a CEO of a company hurts his wrist or knee - the doctor prescribes STEROIDS to get him healthier quicker, when your body is fighting against a sickness, sometimes a doctor prescribes STEROIDS - If is or was prescribed by a doctor to help my body recover - then who cares. Most of us on them are pitchers - have you seen our pitchers??? They are not buff, not overly strong, but fans want them to hit the 100MPH mark every pitch - it does damage to their arms and if their is something that can help then so be it (if a doctor prescribes it). We can't continue to compare what the older players didn't have - if we did that we wouldn't use Under Armour, the nice gloves we have now, the mechanical pitching machines and so on. I'm so sick of everyone judging me, when we are just like every other employee in the world trying to improve our skills and stay healthy to go to work everyday to help make our boss a profit. Now shut up and let us play."

[Ed Dantes]

Flaws in your logic:

#1) The drug Alex Rodriguez was taking was not an approved prescription drug. Therefore, he obtained it illegally. This is not a 'doctor gave him something to recover from injury' like with Andy Pettitte.

#2) The specific drug A-Rod is accused of taking was one that's supposed to act like normal steroids, but harder to detect via testing. Therefore, he used it for the purposes of deceiving Major League Baseball.

#3) The alleged incident occurred after MLB instituted a testing policy, and a dozen years after they said they frowned upon steroids. Alex thumbed his nose at this and took drugs anyway.

#4) There are perfectly legal ways, and ways that were allowed by major league baseball at the time, that Alex could have obtained if he wanted to use steroids for the purposes of quicker recovery times.

[Ed Dantes]

I can't stand A-Rod, but this is not 'no big deal'. A-Rod was supposed to be the one who closed the books on the steroid era. He was supposed to be the one who got the Home Run record the way it was supposed to done. Because of A-Rod, we tolerated Barry Bonds; we let him do his thing because we figured that Alex Rodriguez was going to put an end to the HR champ discussion once and for all. If true, and I hope it's not, then we don't know what to think. We'll probably have to wait a generation before closing the book on the steroid era.

[prototype]

Ed - Logic!!! You have to be kidding...No matter how he got it - It was not against the rules of Major League baseball at the time! Now it is and I don't think players are using it as much. He didn't buy it off the streets - I'm sure he got it from a trainer or doctor. You take steroids and let's see if you can hit a 90MPH fastball - it aint happening.

[RubberMallet]

Ed - Logic!!! You have to be kidding...No matter how he got it - It was not against the rules of Major League baseball at the time! Now it is and I don't think players are using it as much. He didn't buy it off the streets - I'm sure he got it from a trainer or doctor. You take steroids and let's see if you can hit a 90MPH fastball - it aint happening.

this is the stupidest thing i've heard in a while...the last time i heard something this stupid? the last time steroids were a big deal.

It was not against the rules of Major League baseball at the time!

this is the most retarded arguement i've ever heard. they are illegal from a US LAW standpoint if taken without a proper prescription. what would the prescription for? breast tumors? this is the only medical thing its been used for. 99% of the time its used to bulk.

Now it is and I don't think players are using it as much.

you don't? ha!

He didn't buy it off the streets - I'm sure he got it from a trainer or doctor.

great deduction. this have nothing to do with the legality of it. many a professional athletes have said, "as a pro, you know exactly what is going into your body all the time. if they say they don't know, they are lying"

You take steroids and let's see if you can hit a 90MPH fastball - it aint happening.

actually there have been plenty of instances where college kids and minor leaguers not being able to hit at a major league level have been able to do so with the help of steroids...the "well see if you can hit a 90mph fastball after you have taken steroids" arguement is a flawed tired display of idiocy.

[Hold My Own]

Those who have serious money and Im not talking about the avg player are still doing them.....thats the bottom line, and personally I dont blame them

[JMUDukes]

Somebody is seriously defending steroids? wow.

[prototype]

And I will continue to argue it! RM I know it seems crazy, but it was something that most players were doing at that time. My point was that they are getting it legally - they aren't getting it from a drug dealer from Mexico.

My point is that they all are trying to get an advantage and at the time it wasn't a rule. A trainer would tell them to take something that would help them recover quicker, and make them stronger, they are taking it. Might sound stupid, but I think it is stupid to constantly bring it up. A-Rod, Palmeiro, McGuire, and Bonds were all good players before this whole steroid age and should be recognized for their achievements - now if they currently get tested and test positive then throw the book at them, BUT to spend my tax dollars investigating, organizing panels, grand juries and witting reports on a game is CRAP!!!! Let the individual leagues handle it how they please. We are in a time of Economic crisis, at least that is what I'm being told, and we are wasting money on this???

Let's not even get in the matter of telling a player that the league is going to take a survey, that would be completely anonymous and then release the results!!! That's no big deal. Come on RM - I'm taking a survey - no body will see the answer - just PM me - [add any off-based question here].

Come on JMUDukes - you don't even want to join this argument - I have seen your Football team - you don't even want me to conduct a drug test...

[RubberMallet]

And I will continue to argue it! RM I know it seems crazy, but it was something that most players were doing at that time. My point was that they are getting it legally - they aren't getting it from a drug dealer from Mexico.

My point is that they all are trying to get an advantage and at the time it wasn't a rule. A trainer would tell them to take something that would help them recover quicker, and make them stronger, they are taking it. Might sound stupid, but I think it is stupid to constantly bring it up. A-Rod, Palmeiro, McGuire, and Bonds were all good players before this whole steroid age and should be recognized for their achievements - now if they currently get tested and test positive then throw the book at them, BUT to spend my tax dollars investigating, organizing panels, grand juries and witting reports on a game is CRAP!!!! Let the individual leagues handle it how they please. We are in a time of Economic crisis, at least that is what I'm being told, and we are wasting money on this???

Let's not even get in the matter of telling a player that the league is going to take a survey, that would be completely anonymous and then release the results!!! That's no big deal. Come on RM - I'm taking a survey - no body will see the answer - just PM me - [add any off-based question here].

Come on JMUDukes - you don't even want to join this argument - I have seen your Football team - you don't even want me to conduct a drug test...

just because they aren't getting their drugs in tijuana doens't mean they are getting it legally......balco anyone? its hilarious that people play the "the players just do what their trainers tell them to" card like they are some monkeys.

keep grasping at straws....it was easy to shoot holes in your first batch of crap....what next "oh we are wasting money on this blah blah blah economic crisis blah blah blah" this isn't just a game this is an industry worth billions and billions of dollars.

this isn't a survey, it was a test.

[Hold My Own]

Somebody is seriously defending steroids? wow.

Ive been around baseball my whole life. Ive grown up in a professional locker room my whole life. I will 100% defend any steroid user AS LONG AS THEY DO IT AS THEY ARE DIRECTED TO. Thats the only thing...guys like Mac and Bonds abused them. They didnt cycle through them like they should have. I guess growing up where I did Im well versed in all the different steroids and what each different one will do...what Arod tested positive for was Primo which is a odd one for him to take but never the less I still dont hate on him for taking them.

BOTTOM LINE if we lived in a perfect society where nobody would abuse anything steroids would be legal...they are beneficial for anyone who uses them correctly and helps with the repairing of the muscles like Proto was talking about.


My favorite though is when people say "If you saw how I work out you'd know" hahahha thats the WORST excuse for anyone familiar with steroids because they know that it can produce so much testosterone (if you take Test-e which is most common) that you LIVE in the gym and all you want to do is work out...you will end up doing lower body in the AM and upper body in the PM it truly will create a work out machine. Its sick


Anyways I guess I just went on a rant about how I defend steroids but I do...always will as long as they are being looked over by a doctor who has the athletes health in mind

[Ed Dantes]

If these players are getting steroids that are legally prescribed by doctors, as proto states, why do they need to pay former batboys (Kirk Radomski) or conditioning coaches (Brian McNamee) in order to obtain them?