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By Liberty22
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jlread wrote:Hey can someone figure out how to post this article so we can read it?? Seems like a possible valuable piece of info, and I'd be interested in Arkansas states (since some seem to think their on the fence about adding us ) opinion since the articles blocked to their members of the news site.




http://arkansasstate.scout.com/a.z?s=33 ... 87544.html

Nearly seven years ago the Sun Belt Conference adopted a set of performance standards and athletic expectations for its membership. The standards and expectations were seen as the key to improving the league. More than a half decade later, the standards in many ways are further from being implemented than when they were adopted.


In the Spring of 2006, concerned that the league’s basketball RPI had fallen from 12 in 2005 to 18 in 2006 and 20 and 2007 league president Dr. Sidney McPhee of Middle Tennessee State appointed a committee to look at steps to improve football and basketball and the overall standing of the conference. The committee was chaired by Arkansas State’s Dr. Les Wyatt and was called the Wyatt Committee.
In the short time since the “Sun Belt Chief Executive Officer Initiatives” were adopted to improve the conference the standards have for the most part been tossed to the back of the closet if not in the garbage.

STANDARDS FOR NEW MEMBERS

The conference stated that any future member must play IA (FBS) football, men’s and women’s basketball, baseball, softball and volleyball or women’s soccer.

Of the five schools admitted to the league since then, four offer all seven of the core sports identified by the Wyatt Committee. Texas-Arlington does not offer football nor women’s soccer but women’s soccer was optional with volleyball, a sport the Mavericks do offer.

STANDARDS FOR CURRENT MEMBERS

Members were expected to offer 15 sports that the Sun Belt offered a championship in. New Orleans and Denver were given a five year grace period to 2012-13 to reach the standard.

UNO and Denver moved on but just as the deadline that had been set for the schools to reach the standard, UALR moved out of compliance. The Trojans announced in April of 2013 that they were dropping women’s tennis for financial reasons, leaving the school with only fourteen sports.

FOOTBALL SCHEDULING

Members were expected to play 11 home games over any two year period and to play no more than two non-returned road games in a season. Teams were limited to one FCS opponent and the game must be at home.

Over the 2013 and 2014 seasons ULM will play a total of ten home games and there was no “designated home game” with Arkansas either season. The Warhawks are scheduled to travel to Texas A&M, LSU, and Kentucky that all appear to be games that will not be returned.

BASKETBALL SCHEDULING

The basketball scheduling standards hardly lasted long enough for the ink to dry on the paper. Half of all non-conference games had to be played at home or at a neutral site. No more than two games per season against teams that did not return the game. No games against Division I opponents unless approved by the league office and those games had to be at home if approved.

TICKET AND ATTENDANCE STANDARDS

In football schools were expected to increase season ticket sales and attendance each year until it reached 25% of stadium capacity and attendance to 75% of capacity. Men’s and women’s basketball attendance was to grow each until reaching 50% of arena capacity and season tickets for men 25% of capacity and 15% for women. Baseball attendance was expected to grow each year to 50% of stadium capacity.

Since the adoption of these targets, AState football attendance and season ticket sales grew each season, as expected by the criteria.

Attendance just missed the conference target in 2011 and exceeded the target in 2012 and 2013. Season ticket sales exceeded the target in both 2012 and 2013. UL Lafayette football attendance met targets in the same period. New members Georgia Southern and Appalachian State appear likely to meet the football targets as well. Members were supposed to receive an annual report showing how well they met the standards.

The Wyatt Committee report and standards appear to no longer be available on the Sun Belt Conference website, the report is still available on a number of other websites and generated discussion in a number of places. The expectations created some interest both within and outside the conference about the direction of the league.

The lesson to be learned is that it is easier to draw up standards than it is to enforce them. The basketball standards were changed within a year after being adopted by a unanimous vote.

UALR chancellor Dr. Joel Anderson was quoted in the release about the standards saying, “This is an important step to help elevate our conference to greater national prominence.”

Then UALR dropped to 14 conference sports at the time UNO and Denver were to face expulsion if they failed to reach 15 league sports.

Then ULM president Dr. James Cofer said, “I congratulate the committee for its outstanding work toward setting a course for our conference to take its rightful place alongside the elite in NCAA Division I. This report outlines the goals we must achieve to be competitive as a conference in NCAA Division I. The member schools of the Sun Belt make up an outstanding league and together we can raise the perceptions of others by following the course set forth in this report.”

ULM hasn’t followed the course set in the report.

Improving the Sun Belt will take more than committee reports, it will require committing to making changes and holding members accountable to whatever standards can be agreed upon.
By JK37
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Is it possible that the hesitation of some of the schools is to spare them the embarrassment of a new member being in full compliance with the conference's membership standards?
By olldflame
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If they are afraid of our having money they haven't done much research. We haven't been able to spend the likes of Chuck South and UNCA under the table, and they don't have a pot to pee in.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that being well funded is an advantage, but it guarantees nothing.
By ATrain
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TH Spangler wrote:That's like going on a job interview and being told you are overqualified for the position.
Yep, and it totally sucks when it happens
By SuperJon
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BuryYourDuke wrote:Indirectly yes. I don't know that it's a matter of the standards, but there are certainly schools that have concerns about our ability and willingness to spend them under the table. That is true of Sun Belt and MAC schools.
I don't know who exactly said it or where it came from, but I remember hearing the MAC schools didn't want their coaches to come on our campus, see our facilities, and then start asking for the same thing.
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By Purple Haize
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ATrain wrote:
TH Spangler wrote:That's like going on a job interview and being told you are overqualified for the position.
Yep, and it totally sucks when it happens
Been there done that
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By Purple Haize
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olldflame wrote:If they are afraid of our having money they haven't done much research. We haven't been able to spend the likes of Chuck South and UNCA under the table, and they don't have a pot to pee in.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that being well funded is an advantage, but it guarantees nothing.
I used to live near Asheville. They sorta pee wherever they want so it's not really a valid allusion :lol:
By jlread
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It's so Hypacrtical for these schools to descriminate against us because of our financial prosperity and then say they don't want us because our beliefs supposedly descriminate. Makes me laugh myself to tears.....
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By PAmedic
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jlread wrote:It's so Hypacrtical for these schools to descriminate against us because of our financial prosperity and then say they don't want us because our beliefs supposedly descriminate. Makes me laugh myself to tears.....
"hypocritical"

"discriminate"

"discriminate"

just here to help
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By Rooster Cogburn
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@McMurphyESPN: UMass offered full membership to MAC last month & declined, so now must exit after 2 more years, sources told @ESPN
this just got real. McMurphy also said UMass would stay FBS and were pursuing other conference options. The options are now endless on what could happen. JMU and MOST to the MAC? JMU and LU to the MAC? UMass to SBC? Liberty? Who Knows?
By ATrain
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If the SBC just wants a football championship game, the MAC just handed it to them and said "Merry Christmas"

UMass will not move all its sports from the A-10 to any other conference unless they got a Big East or AAC invite. The A-10 is, arguably, the strongest conference in basketball outside the BCS leagues, and UMass is a basketball school.
By thepostman
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The funny thing is if they go to the Sun Belt conference then it completely makes the whole 'footprint' argument a complete joke.

With that said I don't think the AAC will be extending and invite so really the Sun Belt is the only place they can go and probably will.
By JakeP50
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Maybe Coach Gill still has friends at some of the other schools in the MAC, he could sway them to give us the invite. I doubt it but it would be nice, more national exposure #MACtion anyone, better competition and better Bowl Game opportunities.
By jlread
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If SBC takes UMASS and their 5k average attendance for football after saying they wanted all sports travel partner for App St. Then the SBC deserves to Implode like the WAC.
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By Purple Haize
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BuryYourDuke wrote:I do not believe UMass packed up and left the MAC to join the Sun belt. They have their eyes on the AAC in all sports. Basketball will get them what they want.

The question for us has come down to whether or not the MAC will stay at 12. If they stay, chances are JMU has a change of heart about the Sun Belt.
Hell freezes over before UMass goes to the SBC. FB only or all sports It would be the dumbest move since WVU went to the Big XII
IMO, this really frees up the MAC to make a big move. If they add The Fighting a Blue Hens that gives them the Philly/Jersey Market. Throw in JMU and you get the NoVa market. Whatever Bowl/NCAA money they lose dividing by 14 instead of 13 they can more than make up for in TV money.
That leaves one dancer (SBC) and one dance partner (LU)
By Yacht Rock
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Purple Haize wrote: That leaves one dancer (SBC) and one dance partner (LU)
The only problem with that is the Liberty Way strictly forbids dancing...which makes this a Kevin Bacon scenario if we want to improve our chances...

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By JakeP50
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Purple Haize wrote: IMO, this really frees up the MAC to make a big move. If they add The Fighting a Blue Hens that gives them the Philly/Jersey Market.
Delaware Stadium needs an upgrade for that to happen, it's not very big, (by FBS standards) and it's kind of old. Not saying this would be a bad thing, I would love to have an FBS school that close to home. Newark and the surrounding area could use the economic boost an FBS football program brings with it. I went to high school right down the road from UD's campus, I love this idea. And if the move indirectly helps us get to the Sun Belt I'm even more on board.
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By BJWilliams
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Here's a blow to the "JMU to the MAC" ideas that I think were bandied about at one point:
In 2016, the MAC will be a 12-team conference consisting of Akron, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Kent State, Miami (Ohio) and Ohio in the East; and Ball State, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Northern Illinois, Toledo and Western Michigan in the West. Sources told ESPN it is unlikely the MAC would seek additional members.
By JakeP50
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"Sources" have told ESPN a lot of things and if the MAC wants to survive in the playoff era they need to go to 14 and they will want to go to 14. 10-12 is good for smaller more basketball focused conferences, not FBS conferences like the MAC,AAC and C-USA that can go to halfway decent Bowl games or could sometimes get into the BCS.
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