[BJWilliams]

Thing is that he only attempted 28 passes that season. Really if you think about it, he, like Woodrum, only has one season of collegiate football that we can draw from for significant statistical analysis

2012 Stats: 114-203 1263 Yards 9 TDs 4 INT

Josh on the other hand looks like this:

2012 Stats: 183-267 1966 Yards 11 TDs 9 INT

That's why I want to see how they stack up together on the practice field IF he should come here

[adam42381]

Ive heard clifton richardson is strongly considering lu as well

Richardson would be a nice pickup as well, although like Sims, Id like to see him on the field. Now it wouldnt be AS big a stretch to see him win the lead tailback position, but again, if he comes here, that will manifest itself quickly when they hit the field.

Also rumored, University of Virginia running back, Clifton Richardson to Liberty.

You don't say?

[bigsmooth]

i have mixed feelings on this. Having Sims would give us depth and experience, but his track record shows lack of competitiveness.

1. at alabama loses starting job, decides to transfer to UVA
2. at UVA splits time with Rocco, had some good games and some bad ones. Rocco transfers so you would assume he is #1 going into spring ball, but then drops to 3rd on the depth chart behind david watford who red-shirted and a redshirt freshman in Greyson Lambert.
3. then he flunks out of school.

Sims clearly shows he is lazy and somewhat a baby when he loses his job. Mike London stuck his neck out for him to get him into UVA on the "special" hardship waiver and then lets the coach and his teammates down.

Is this the type of guy we want??

Clitfon Richardson, i would take though. he could start at RB immediately providing he stays healthy, but he appears to be a bit of a baby too. he was injured a lot last year, and fell down in the depth chart and with a stud 5 star #1 ranked All purpose back coming in, he saw the writing on the wall.

i guess it is a situational kind of thing, but i think Gill is a stern disciplinarian who would make it clear his expectations.

[Purple Haize]

Thing is that he only attempted 28 passes that season. Really if you think about it, he, like Woodrum, only has one season of collegiate football that we can draw from for significant statistical analysis

2012 Stats: 114-203 1263 Yards 9 TDs 4 INT

Josh on the other hand looks like this:

2012 Stats: 183-267 1966 Yards 11 TDs 9 INT

That's why I want to see how they stack up together on the practice field IF he should come here

But everyday at Alabama he was working against a pretty good defense. At UVa he was working with an ok defense. Both of which are better then the defense Woodrum worked against.
Again, I'm all in on Woodrum, but if a talent like this comes in its a game changer. Plus with Richardson coming in it gives us a fast backfield!

[TH Spangler]

You don't say?

Sorry I missed that one .....

Not that anyone cares, but I'm done. LU is an embarrassment, in my opinion.

Glad to see you are still here though .....

[adam42381]

You don't say?

Sorry I missed that one .....

Not that anyone cares, but I'm done. LU is an embarrassment, in my opinion.

Glad to see you are still here though ..... :I chortle audibly.:

Touché.

[forbidden]

i have mixed feelings on this. Having Sims would give us depth and experience, but his track record shows lack of competitiveness.

1. at alabama loses starting job, decides to transfer to UVA
2. at UVA splits time with Rocco, had some good games and some bad ones. Rocco transfers so you would assume he is #1 going into spring ball, but then drops to 3rd on the depth chart behind david watford who red-shirted and a redshirt freshman in Greyson Lambert.
3. then he flunks out of school.

Sims clearly shows he is lazy and somewhat a baby when he loses his job. Mike London stuck his neck out for him to get him into UVA on the "special" hardship waiver and then lets the coach and his teammates down.

Is this the type of guy we want??

Clitfon Richardson, i would take though. he could start at RB immediately providing he stays healthy, but he appears to be a bit of a baby too. he was injured a lot last year, and fell down in the depth chart and with a stud 5 star #1 ranked All purpose back coming in, he saw the writing on the wall.

i guess it is a situational kind of thing, but i think Gill is a stern disciplinarian who would make it clear his expectations.

Sims def would not be the first to transfer out of Bama when they didn't win starting job, they lost another this year but they replenish with 3 more coming in. Apparently, they have some steep comp down there and it all sounds great until you are on the short end of the stick.

[forbidden]

Thing is that he only attempted 28 passes that season. Really if you think about it, he, like Woodrum, only has one season of collegiate football that we can draw from for significant statistical analysis

2012 Stats: 114-203 1263 Yards 9 TDs 4 INT

Josh on the other hand looks like this:

2012 Stats: 183-267 1966 Yards 11 TDs 9 INT

That's why I want to see how they stack up together on the practice field IF he should come here

But everyday at Alabama he was working against a pretty good defense. At UVa he was working with an ok defense. Both of which are better then the defense Woodrum worked against.
Again, I'm all in on Woodrum, but if a talent like this comes in its a game changer. Plus with Richardson coming in it gives us a fast

Status quo has not won any playoff gms around the mountain, you make this team as good as you possibly can and if that means bringing on a few FBS transfers then you do what's best for the team to win. The kids are here for an education, but those coaches are here to win ball games.

It's better he be at LU that at Richmond or ODU and we have to face him, or talk about why we didn't even have a chance to land this kid at all.

[Purple Haize]

IIRC, one of the main reasons he transferred was to be closer to home because someone had health issues. If that is the case that might put some pieces to the puzzle together on grades etc.
As for players transferring because of lack of PT its no big dealin my book. It happens all the time. If we get them both, we already have Richardson, it would be such a huge boost to our recruiting in the fertile 757 and surrounding areas. I know, there are those who think we shouldn't emphasis in State recruiting but since I'm not one of them.....

[BJWilliams]

Its like I said...if he is as good as advertised, when he gets here...IF he gets here...he will differentiate himself from the other QBs pretty quickly. He didnt do that when he got to UVa and he ended up platooning with MR. Let's get some confirmation that he is for sure coming here and then we can play armchair coach all summer until fall practice

[Sly Fox]

First off, I trust the firsthand judgement of our staff on whether or not he would be a fit at LU. They are the ones who will be responsible for him and have the best insight. If these two arrive from up 29, they will be given every opportunity to succeed both on the field and in the classroom. Vince worked out OK and he came in under a much bigger cloud.

Smoothie - I was anxious to hear your thoughts. But be honest ... how much of your views on Sims have to do with sour grapes that it didn't work out for your 'Hoos and that it led to Mike's transfer? Frankly, his numbers on the field last year weren't bad in platoon duty. He didn't step up in some situations where the opportunity presented itself. But does that mean he wouldn't find his niche on the mountain? I clearly don't follow UVa as closely as any of you. I'm just asking.

[NotAJerry]

Thing is that he only attempted 28 passes that season. Really if you think about it, he, like Woodrum, only has one season of collegiate football that we can draw from for significant statistical analysis

2012 Stats: 114-203 1263 Yards 9 TDs 4 INT

Josh on the other hand looks like this:

2012 Stats: 183-267 1966 Yards 11 TDs 9 INT

That's why I want to see how they stack up together on the practice field IF he should come here

Do we really have to explain the difference between the ACC and BSC or FBS and FCS? You aren't seriously trying to compare the stats of two QBs who played at completely different levels as if they're actually comparable, are you? Let's compare Woodrum to the QB from Mount Union (DIII) while we're at it.

[BJWilliams]

Im just saying that we have to consider all aspects when we look at the two together and not just automatically put one person over the other out of hand. Sly's right, and we should all trust that the staff will make the right decision about whether Sims will be a good fit here or not. If they feel he is, he will be given the opportunity to win the job on the practice field.

We cant simply assume that because he comes from a BCS school (UVa, Alabama, FLorida, UConn, Florida State, UT-Austin, Oklahoma, Ohio State, etc) that somehow the second they hit an FCS campus, theyll turn into an All-American their first year (or only year depending on situation).

[Purple Haize]

Smoothie - I was anxious to hear your thoughts. But be honest ... how much of your views on Sims have to do with sour grapes that it didn't work out for your 'Hoos and that it led to Mike's transfer? Frankly, his numbers on the field last year weren't bad in platoon duty. He didn't step up in some situations where the opportunity presented itself. But does that mean he wouldn't find his niche on the mountain? I clearly don't follow UVa as closely as any of you. I'm just asking.

Having attended UVA games with SMOOTH he was a total MR hater! He really really wanted Sims to work out along with the rest of HOOS nation. IMO, last years QB situation at UVA proved the adage that if you have 2 starting QB's you actually have 0 QB's. I was/am a huge MR fan but I really think neither were done any favors last year.

[jinxy]

Talked to a lot of uva fans this morning. Not a single one misses him. The staff is glad hes gone and so is the fan base. Smoothie hit the nail on the head. Speaks volumes that the fans and "reportedly" the staff is much more excited to go into the season with two qbs (watford and lambert) that have about 20 pass attempts between them

[Purple Haize]

Talked to a lot of uva fans this morning. Not a single one misses him. The staff is glad hes gone and so is the fan base. Smoothie hit the nail on the head. Speaks volumes that the fans and "reportedly" the staff is much more excited to go into the season with two qbs (watford and lambert) that have about 20 pass attempts between them

Any particular reason why they are glad he's gone? I'd be interested to find out. I can think of one or two but would be interested in hearing more.

[rogers3]

I say West Liberty would be a good fit for Sims.

[jinxy]

Haize, two big things are what we have already beat to death. One other that is close to what smooth was talking about. I think there is a genuine concern regarding his aptitude at reading defenses and learning the playbook. That can be two things, lack of work ethic or just not that bright. My personal opinion is that its a combo of both. The other is simply performance. Most felt like he would come in and be the clear cut winner of the job and lead uva to a better season. He had the road paved for him to come to uva and start and really did nothing with it. So factor in those 4 things and that is the overriding feeling i have gotten from my uva friends

[Purple Haize]

Haize, two big things are what we have already beat to death. One other that is close to what smooth was talking about. I think there is a genuine concern regarding his aptitude at reading defenses and learning the playbook. That can be two things, lack of work ethic or just not that bright. My personal opinion is that its a combo of both. The other is simply performance. Most felt like he would come in and be the clear cut winner of the job and lead uva to a better season. He had the road paved for him to come to uva and start and really did nothing with it. So factor in those 4 things and that is the overriding feeling i have gotten from my uva friends

Ok, that seems legit. The thought I would have on " learning the play book" would be make the play book easier to learn. Or reduce the size of the play book. I'd make a Mel Hankinson reference here but will refrain. I will say in his defense, pardon the pun, that looking over your shoulder makes playing QB difficult.
My only negative thought process was that he had been promised things by the staff at UVA and his HS coach wasn't helping by putting pressure on the UVA staff. I can't see that happening here.

[bigsmooth]

First off, I trust the firsthand judgement of our staff on whether or not he would be a fit at LU. They are the ones who will be responsible for him and have the best insight. If these two arrive from up 29, they will be given every opportunity to succeed both on the field and in the classroom. Vince worked out OK and he came in under a much bigger cloud.

Smoothie - I was anxious to hear your thoughts. But be honest ... how much of your views on Sims have to do with sour grapes that it didn't work out for your 'Hoos and that it led to Mike's transfer? Frankly, his numbers on the field last year weren't bad in platoon duty. He didn't step up in some situations where the opportunity presented itself. But does that mean he wouldn't find his niche on the mountain? I clearly don't follow UVa as closely as any of you. I'm just asking.

no sour grapes at all sly. in fact, i was more of a rocco guy than a sims guy. clearly the platooning was no a good idea. i think it hurt them both. indeed sims numbers were decent and could have been better just like rocco's. certainly he could find his niche here at LU, but i just question the work ethic. i think the platooning was because london was scared that if sims did not play that it would hurt the progress he made in the 757. Also every stinking coach in the 757 from mike smith, tommy reamon, and now this guy at oscar smith and his name eludes me seems to protect their studs and when things do not work out at a particular school, they immediately say it was handled wrong. of course we do not know the ins and outs, but sims was given that waiver which was very iffy and UVA worked hard for that and he was given every chance to succeed and he failed. If he chooses LU could it be different? sure. he is clearly a talented kid. i trust nick saban's talent evaluation, but again his work ethic concerns me.

[Sly Fox]

Fair enough. The clarification was appreciated because I know you follow UVa football intensely. FBS transfers are always crap shoots to a degree.

[UVALibertyFan]

The entire situation last year was just not good. I imagine that Sims came to UVA thinking that he would be starting soon no problem, and he got a chance to prove himself and ended up not doing as well as expected. I think that he just sort of let go after last season, he was definitely the 3rd next QB in the UVA spring game. He apologized on Twitter to his fans, he knows he messed up.

UVA was in a position to have to take Sims just based on his talent and I imagine Liberty will do the same if they have the chance.

[HenryGale]

If he felt he could walk into UVA and just get handed the job, imagine what he must be thinking about coming to LU?

[sigmo7]

my magic 8 ball says it isn't gonna happen. could be wrong, but it's right most of the time. and if i'm wrong i will throw it out the window.

[BJWilliams]

If he felt he could walk into UVA and just get handed the job, imagine what he must be thinking about coming to LU?

Wherever he ends up, that is the exact wrong attitude to have going into your new team.