[Purple Haize]

If you. Interviewed me after my fresh year, I'd say how much I hated my coach
If you interviewed me after my Senior year I'd say how much I loved and respected the man
If you interviewed me now, I'd tell you how much he taught me.
If you don't have a lot of players that start and go through your program, that says something too.

What that has to do with VUL I have no idea because I don't see him coaching there for 4 or more years.

[bballfan84]

A lot of the players that left were a bit over sensitive, just sayin

And a great leader gets those personalities, at least some of them, under control/on board with the team.

True but it still doesn't change the fact that a lot of them were too sensitive. Being overly sensitive gets you nowhere in life.

What are you basing this information on. I know a lot of players personally who played under him and assistant coaches who worked for him. I find it hard to believe that those who disliked him were all over sensitive. You have to be pretty tough to make it on a Division 1 level so I hardly believe that is the case.

[bballfan84]

If you. Interviewed me after my fresh year, I'd say how much I hated my coach
If you interviewed me after my Senior year I'd say how much I loved and respected the man
If you interviewed me now, I'd tell you how much he taught me.
If you don't have a lot of players that start and go through your program, that says something too.

What that has to do with VUL I have no idea because I don't see him coaching there for 4 or more years.

is this hypothetical or through experience?

[Purple Haize]

Both

[thepostman]

What are you basing this information on. I know a lot of players personally who played under him and assistant coaches who worked for him. I find it hard to believe that those who disliked him were all over sensitive. You have to be pretty tough to make it on a Division 1 level so I hardly believe that is the case.

I didn't have contact with all of the players that left, but the ones I did have contact with were a tad bit on the sensitive side when it came to anything. I do not know if that over sensitivity translated to their basketball decisions, but I don't see why it wouldn't.

[NotAJerry]

What are you basing this information on. I know a lot of players personally who played under him and assistant coaches who worked for him. I find it hard to believe that those who disliked him were all over sensitive. You have to be pretty tough to make it on a Division 1 level so I hardly believe that is the case.

I didn't have contact with all of the players that left, but the ones I did have contact with were a tad bit on the sensitive side when it came to anything. I do not know if that over sensitivity translated to their basketball decisions, but I don't see why it wouldn't.

Then it's the coaches fault for not getting at least some of them to perform and want to stay.

[prototype]

What are you basing this information on. I know a lot of players personally who played under him and assistant coaches who worked for him. I find it hard to believe that those who disliked him were all over sensitive. You have to be pretty tough to make it on a Division 1 level so I hardly believe that is the case.

I didn't have contact with all of the players that left, but the ones I did have contact with were a tad bit on the sensitive side when it came to anything. I do not know if that over sensitivity translated to their basketball decisions, but I don't see why it wouldn't.

Then it's the coaches fault for not getting at least some of them to perform and want to stay.

I'm not sure I remember that many players bailing on the program during RD's tenure here? Maybe I'm forgetting, can someone help me remember who all these people were that left the program? Because I thought that was one of the stable times... I really have no idea and am just asking. If this is a criteria of excellence - hasn't there been a lot of turnover with TL too - McCarter, Anderson, Gordon, Curry, Woods, Konan, Perez, Stephene, Weaver... I don't think those graduated - did they? And if they did - it was early. Not sure how many players that are good don't play there full years of basketball at this level.

[NotAJerry]

I'm not sure I remember that many players bailing on the program during RD's tenure here? Maybe I'm forgetting, can someone help me remember who all these people were that left the program? Because I thought that was one of the stable times... I really have no idea and am just asking. If this is a criteria of excellence - hasn't there been a lot of turnover with TL too - McCarter, Anderson, Gordon, Curry, Woods, Konan, Perez, Stephene, Weaver... I don't think those graduated - did they? And if they did - it was early. Not sure how many players that are good don't play there full years of basketball at this level.

I'm not too sure either, but as someone who has coached several sports at multiple levels, I know enough to know that massaging egos and managing personalities is 99% on the coach. I wonder how many of the guys who left under RD were his own recruits. If he recruited them, and then they couldn't take playing for him, shouldn't a large portion of the blame be on him for either not representing himself honestly in the recruiting process or not identifying potential personality traits in the recruits?

[bballfan84]

I'm not sure I remember that many players bailing on the program during RD's tenure here? Maybe I'm forgetting, can someone help me remember who all these people were that left the program? Because I thought that was one of the stable times... I really have no idea and am just asking. If this is a criteria of excellence - hasn't there been a lot of turnover with TL too - McCarter, Anderson, Gordon, Curry, Woods, Konan, Perez, Stephene, Weaver... I don't think those graduated - did they? And if they did - it was early. Not sure how many players that are good don't play there full years of basketball at this level.

I'm not too sure either, but as someone who has coached several sports at multiple levels, I know enough to know that massaging egos and managing personalities is 99% on the coach. I wonder how many of the guys who left under RD were his own recruits. If he recruited them, and then they couldn't take playing for him, shouldn't a large portion of the blame be on him for either not representing himself honestly in the recruiting process or not identifying potential personality traits in the recruits?

From what I know the guys who left were his recruits..a list would be David Dees, John Clarke, Jeremy Monceuax, Elijah Miller, Christian Webourne, Doug Stewart, Eric Bigby, Rashad Robinson, Evan Risher, Justin Holland. Those are the names that come off the top of my head. Now were all these players potential contributors no, but David Dees was an all conference type player and Doug Stewart had the ability to be an all conference player. Not all guys respond well to constant yelling and being insulted as RD would do ALL the time. Rashad Robinson was another guy who had really bright moments but Coach D constantly berated the guy. Monceaux wasanother player who was Freshman of the year at one point basically just gave up after a couple years under Dunton. Bottom line Coach D could not handle different types of personalities. I wouldnt pretend it to be a coincidence that his whole coaching staff (Bob Davis, Stephon Leary, and Casey Colemen) with the exception of Chuck Martin left the same year as David Dees, Rashad Robinson, Jeremy Monceuax, John Clarke, Seth Dickey, and possibly Evan Risher (cant remember when he left the program). Is that a coincidence....I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!!!

[jcmanson]

Ahh yes, Rashad I can't make a layup Robinson. Thank you.

[bballfan84]

Ahh yes, Rashad I can't make a layup Robinson. Thank you.

The guy was still a Division 1 athlete..its easy to make judgements as a spectator

[Purple Haize]

Ahh yes, Rashad I can't make a layup Robinson. Thank you.

The guy was still a Division 1 athlete..its easy to make judgements as a spectator

It's also a lot harder to make lay ups then people think!

[jcmanson]

Ahh yes, Rashad I can't make a layup Robinson. Thank you.

The guy was still a Division 1 athlete..its easy to make judgements as a spectator

Yeah, it's easy as a spectator to make the judgement that he can't make a layup. I would say that's an easy judgement call, by a spectator.

[bballfan84]

Ahh yes, Rashad I can't make a layup Robinson. Thank you.

The guy was still a Division 1 athlete..its easy to make judgements as a spectator

Yeah, it's easy as a spectator to make the judgement that he can't make a layup. I would say that's an easy judgement call, by a spectator.

Capt Smartypants strikes again..nonetheless there was a mass exodus in 2005 under RD

[jcmanson]

[Purple Haize]

Capt Smartypants strikes again..nonetheless there was a mass exodus in 2005 under RD

You are assuming that JC actually WEARS pants!

[BJWilliams]

Capt Smartypants strikes again..nonetheless there was a mass exodus in 2005 under RD

You are assuming that JC actually WEARS the pants!

FIFY

[jcmanson]

I do wear pants and they are THE pants as well. Thank you both.

[prototype]

Ahh yes, Rashad I can't make a layup Robinson. Thank you.

The guy was still a Division 1 athlete..its easy to make judgements as a spectator

That guy was horrible!!! That's why he didn't play....

[prototype]

Still not buying it. The guys you mentioned other than Dees had other issues that go way beyond a coach being tough with them. Elijah never even played - everyone knew coming in he was a academic gamble that just didn't pay off. But you named some, but about the same as TL time here? Maybe that is the nature of small time D1 basketball? Not seeing a big difference today.... Just sayin

[Purple Haize]

And LU MBB transfers from over 5 years ago has to do with VUL WBB how?

[IMBach]

Sensitive is kind to some of these guys. I would watch Dees jog on defense. He would score but was a liability defensively. Doug Stewart was what 6'8" and has yet to get a rebound. RD should have been on them this is D1 basketball not rec league.

[bballfan84]

And LU MBB transfers from over 5 years ago has to do with VUL WBB how?

people asked for examples so i gave them...its easy if you just follow the post...

[bballfan84]

Sensitive is kind to some of these guys. I would watch Dees jog on defense. He would score but was a liability defensively. Doug Stewart was what 6'8" and has yet to get a rebound. RD should have been on them this is D1 basketball not rec league.

thats fine I am not going to change your mind..however as said earlier not all players respond to being yelled at and berated..I am sure Jesus didnt tell his disciples that they were worthless all the time in order to encourage them ( i know extreme example). There is nothing wrong with criticism but RD went above and beyond.