[PastorZack]

Again, what motivation does it give OU and the Texas schools to open up their arms to the Hogs due to their proximity to the DFW area. OU and Texas own the area now, but why would they want them back in there???

[PastorZack]

Let me break this down for those of you who don't live in Texas or haven't lived there. You believe this realignment has to deal with money. Well, if it does to a point. What these schools really want is EXPOSURE!!! If say Liberty was in the Big XII, they would have TV exposure to all of Texas, Oklahoma,Kansas,Missouri, Arkansas,Lousiana,New Mexico and Iowa and before Nebraska and Colorado.

That would have included the cities and metro areas of DFW,Houston, San Antonio, New Orleans,Oklahoma City,Tulsa,Kansas City,St. Louis,Santa Fe,Little Rock,Wichita,Ames and before the Denver area.

These schools are looking for RECRUITING advantages. The money is nice, but RECRUITING is where the money is at. RECRUITS win on the field. When you win, you get money.

That is why the university of Texas wants their own network. EXPOSURE. Nothing else.

[Sly Fox]

The only motivation would be to help them closer to the 12 members required for a league championship game ... and there are plenty of Texas, OU and A&M alumni who would love to have the Hogs back as a rival. It is the best geographic fit.

But you are correct that there is practically no motivation for the Big XII Lite to bring anyone else into the fold anytime soon.

These schools are looking for RECRUITING advantages. The money is nice, but RECRUITING is where the money is at. RECRUITS win on the field. When you win, you get money.

That is why the university of Texas wants their own network. EXPOSURE. Nothing else.

So what your saying is that UT and A&M need more exposure in the Lone Star State? It could be argued they are OVERexposed already. The only recruiting impact I see from having their own television network would be in non-revenue sports. As we have seen at LU, having your games televised and/or streamed on the web has been a great recruiting tool when you reach beyond your normal geographic reach.

Speaking of networks, you don't happen to know anyone in College Station who might be involved in their network start-up do you? I am already talking with the UT folks and it is VERY promising. But I haven't been able to find the right folks at A&M.

[PastorZack]

Sly, i'm talking expansion in general for exposure purposes. You can't tell me if texas has THEIR own network that they couldn't show all of THEIR games besides the ones that aren't shown on ABC,Fox Sports, or ESPN. That's called saturation...what Doc and Elmer did with the gospel, DeLoss and tu are doing for texas athletics.

Remember that their is no such thing as bad publicity for these schools. Texas is trying to win the hearts and minds of kids and parents through all forms of communication (internet,tv,radio,text messaging). Just because you cant text a kid, doesn't mean that you can't text their parents,aunts and uncles and cousins.

[From the class of 09]

Let me break this down for those of you who don't live in Texas or haven't lived there. You believe this realignment has to deal with money. Well, if it does to a point. What these schools really want is EXPOSURE!!! If say Liberty was in the Big XII, they would have TV exposure to all of Texas, Oklahoma,Kansas,Missouri, Arkansas,Lousiana,New Mexico and Iowa and before Nebraska and Colorado.

That would have included the cities and metro areas of DFW,Houston, San Antonio, New Orleans,Oklahoma City,Tulsa,Kansas City,St. Louis,Santa Fe,Little Rock,Wichita,Ames and before the Denver area.

These schools are looking for RECRUITING advantages. The money is nice, but RECRUITING is where the money is at. RECRUITS win on the field. When you win, you get money.

That is why the university of Texas wants their own network. EXPOSURE. Nothing else.

Sly hits this one on the head, but I just wanted to point out that Texas can’t really improve itself anymore in its recruiting territory which is basically only Texas (5 of the recruits listed on the Texas roaster are from out of state).

The TV network would just be another way to pull more income from this same area. The extra income allows you to constantly spend to keep top notch facilities which are needed just to keep the status quo at Texas. I think that’s all they are really after. Not expanding or improving its recruiting base.

Unless as Sly pointed out again (man that guys on top of things ) you're referring to non-revenue sports.

[JK37]

Just because you cant text a kid, doesn't mean that you can't text their parents,aunts and uncles and cousins.

Actually, yes it does.

2010-11 NCAA Division I Manual
Bylaw, Article 13
13.4.1.2 Electronic Transmissions (page 100)

"Electronically transmitted correspondence that may be sent to a prospective student-athlete (or the prospective student-athlete's parents or legal guardians) is limited to electronic mail and facsimiles. All other forms of electronically transmitted correspondence (e.g., Instant Messenger, text messaging) are prohibited."

[JK37]

Let me break this down for those of you who don't live in Texas or haven't lived there. You believe this realignment has to deal with money. Well, if it does to a point. What these schools really want is EXPOSURE!!! If say Liberty was in the Big XII, they would have TV exposure to all of Texas, Oklahoma,Kansas,Missouri, Arkansas,Lousiana,New Mexico and Iowa and before Nebraska and Colorado.

That would have included the cities and metro areas of DFW,Houston, San Antonio, New Orleans,Oklahoma City,Tulsa,Kansas City,St. Louis,Santa Fe,Little Rock,Wichita,Ames and before the Denver area.

These schools are looking for RECRUITING advantages. The money is nice, but RECRUITING is where the money is at. RECRUITS win on the field. When you win, you get money.

That is why the university of Texas wants their own network. EXPOSURE. Nothing else.

Sly hits this one on the head, but I just wanted to point out that Texas can’t really improve itself anymore in its recruiting territory which is basically only Texas (5 of the recruits listed on the Texas roaster are from out of state).

The TV network would just be another way to pull more income from this same area. The extra income allows you to constantly spend to keep top notch facilities which are needed just to keep the status quo at Texas. I think that’s all they are really after. Not expanding or improving its recruiting base.

Unless as Sly pointed out again (man that guys on top of things ) you're referring to non-revenue sports.

All sports - not just non-revenue sports - will benefit greatly from this, both monetarily and exposure-wise. Think what happens when these new networks get picked up by DirecTV and Dish Network! And, they definitely will.

[PastorZack]

Just because you cant text a kid, doesn't mean that you can't text their parents,aunts and uncles and cousins.

Actually, yes it does.

2010-11 NCAA Division I Manual
Bylaw, Article 13
13.4.1.2 Electronic Transmissions (page 100)

"Electronically transmitted correspondence that may be sent to a prospective student-athlete (or the prospective student-athlete's parents or legal guardians) is limited to electronic mail and facsimiles. All other forms of electronically transmitted correspondence (e.g., Instant Messenger, text messaging) are prohibited."

Trust me...coaches and staff get around this minor technicality. LSU does it all the time. its called PRESSURE. It happens all the time in big time programs. Unfortunately, i've seen it and been around it and had it happened to a couple of friends. It is especially hard on parents who think they are doing the right thing.

[JK37]

Trust me...coaches and staff get around this minor technicality.

Trust me...I know.

Also, it's no minor technicality. Just ask this former LU coach:

Chris Carroll, who worked as an assistant coach with the Richmond women’s team, admitted to text-messaging two recruits while at Richmond, a major violation of NCAA rules.

http://www.thecollegianur.com/2008/09/1 ... n-georgia/ (emphasis mine)

The NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions placed the University of Richmond on two-year probation on Friday resulting from an investigation into recruiting violations that members of the athletic department committed during 2007 and 2008.

The two assistant basketball coaches primarily responsible for the illegal text messages, men’s coach Carlin Hartman and women’s coach Chris Carroll, resigned after the university found out about the text messages.

http://www.thecollegianur.com/2009/11/1 ... probation/

[4everfsu]

Utah joining PAC 10 Friday according to ESPN.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5293329

[ATrain]

Utah joining PAC 10 Friday according to ESPN.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5293329

So a couple years in the future when the Pac-10 tries to go to 16, does that mean it'll just be Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State with A&M to the SEC or will they try for a different set of 4 teams?

Is the MWC planning on replacing Utah, or was that done pre-emptively with Boise State?

[LUconn]

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co ... st-invite/

Sooo, the Big East will have 18 basketball members? I would normally assume that the football only's would finally break off but there's no mention of that anywhere. Plus then the B10 looks attractive to ND again.

[TDDance234]

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co ... st-invite/

Sooo, the Big East will have 18 basketball members? I would normally assume that the football only's would finally break off but there's no mention of that anywhere. Plus then the B10 looks attractive to ND again.

Eh, Big East football is irrelavant. However, adding Memphis to an already stacked basketball lineup would be interesting.

[LUconn]

But the point is, they'd have 10 football programs and that's pretty much the tipping point for ditching the non-football schools. And as we've discussed ad nauseum, the leftover 8 teams is not a desirable conference for Notre Dame other sports to be in. That's what the Big 10 was essentially trying to accomplish. And we start up again.

[ATrain]

UCF to the Big East would be interesting. I didn't think South Florida wanted to be associated with them (as evidenced by scheduling spats, etc., since USF's move to the Big East). Poor ECU, still unwanted and unloved...then again, Greenville isn't exactly populated with TV sets.

[JK37]

UCF to the Big East would be interesting. I didn't think South Florida wanted to be associated with them

They don't. But they hold little or no clout in the conference to block such a move. Plus, at the end of the day, the greatest threat they could make (to leave) isn't a big deal to anyone else in the conference.

[4everfsu]

UH wants in the Big 12.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/met ... ?+Texas%29

[Sly Fox]

Yeah and I want to own an island in the Caribbean. Neither is likely to happen. Throw out a couple of games against Big XII schools and LU has done as well in home attendance the past couple of years as the Coogs at a time when they were slipping in & out of the Top 25. Commuter school with awful fan support. If you think has problems with students wearing UNC & VT gear then you wouldn't believe what it is like with Texas and A&M at UH.

All that said, they essentially can get in MWC if they want to become a travel partner with TCU. But their false hopes that the Big XII will consider them will likely keep them from ever pulling that trigger.

[jmdickens]

you okay Sly?

[Sly Fox]

Tremendous!

[JK37]

Now that the dust has settled (for now), it is interesting to see how we got to this point. I'm not talking about back to the 1990's with the formation of the Big XII or the expansion of the ACC. I'm not even talking about Harvey Schiller taking the SEC to 12 schools for the first made-for-TV football championship game. This research goes all the way back into the 1950's, as well as discussing the CFA in detail. It's very good stuff, especially for younger ones who found themselves enthralled in the most recent realignment discussions.

The Money Game
By John Antonik for MSNsportsNET.com
July 18, 2010

One of the more memorable scenes in the movie All the President's Men was when Deep Throat, played by Hal Holbrook, instructed Bob Woodward (Robert Redford) to follow the money during one of their secret late-night meetings.

Well, for the better part of the last 50 years, that is exactly what has been going on in college football - schools are following the money. Earlier this summer, the Big Ten, the Pac-10 and the SEC all tried to hit the jackpot by attempting to lure Texas away from the Big 12 Conference.

The story takes a West Virignia slant at the very end, but the research is quite interesting, including little nuggets like these:

According to Dan Wetzel of Yahoo! Sports (Wetzel has a book coming out this fall examining the financial implications of having a football championship), there are only two major revenue streams left in college sports: football television contracts and a football playoff. (His research has concluded that the NCAA men's basketball tournament is basically maxed out financially).

In the 1960s, the Big Ten was the first conference to pass a rule limiting football signing classes to 30 per year. In the early 1970s, the Big Eight, the SEC and the Southwest Conference agreed to limit signing classes to 45 players per year with the provision that schools could "bank" or "borrow" additional recruits, enabling the wealthiest schools to continue to conduct business as usual.

Long Beach State president Dr. Stephen Horn thought the reductions didn't go far enough and campaigned for more sweeping changes, immediately drawing the ire of the bigger schools. Horn proposed reducing scholarships to 65 over a three-year period and limiting travel rosters to 48 players. He also wanted 50 percent of television revenue to be distributed equally among all Division I schools and the other 50 percent going to Division II and Division III programs. The big schools mockingly called it "the Robin Hood plan."

In 1990, the seeds for the BCS were planted when the Sugar Bowl jumped the gun and invited 7-0 Virginia in anticipation of hosting the nation’s top-ranked team. But the Cavaliers stumbled down the stretch, losing all four games, and wound up being unranked when it faced Tennessee in New Orleans. Finally all of the major bowls got together to put an end to the madness, first developing the Bowl Coalition, then the Bowl Alliance, before settling on the present BCS system that has been in place since 1998.

This is intriguing for Tech fans (For the record, I can't stand VT):

No school benefited more from conference expansion in the early 1990s than Virginia Tech. The Hokies' football tradition consisted of a pair of Liberty Bowl appearances under Jerry Claiborne in the 1960s and three bowl trips under Bill Dooley in 1980, 1984 and 1986, including the school's first-ever postseason victory in ‘86 against NC State in the Peach Bowl.

That was the extent of Tech’s football history.

And lastly, I'm sure Sly can verify this:

Houston was left on the other side of the tracks, no school suffering more from expansion in the early 1990s than the Cougars. Houston won four Southwest titles during a 15-year period and played Boston College in the 1985 Cotton Bowl. When the SWC broke up in the mid-1990s Houston football fell on hard times.

[Sly Fox]

It took UH a decade to begin to recover on the field and they still haven't financially.

[jcmanson]

Press conferences are scheduled today for the Big Sky and Cal Poly.

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/mo ... 002e0.html

[Sly Fox]

While this turns the Big Sky into the CAA of the West, it also likely means the WAC focuses on the Texas schools & Montana. Montana now knows that it could leave the Big Sky without sabotaging the league. Texas State & UTSA make way too much sense now that you get the feeling that perhaps the WAC has already approached the NCAA about getting a waiver to let those two schools step up post haste.

[jcmanson]

Cal Poly and UC Davis join Big Sky.

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/ne ... 03286.html

This pretty much kills the Great West. Wonder what the Dakotas and Southern Utah will do?