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By jbock13
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jbock13 wrote:It also keeps travel costs low so we can save for our planned move whenever it happens.

Always some hidden gems from you, jbock. This is one of the better I've seen. We'll put another billion, maybe more in the bank before the federal government pulls the plug on student loans. "Saving" for an FBS move is a non-issue.
Fair enough.
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By Purple Haize
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'Save' for FBS. That's funny right there I don't care who you are. Football hemorrhages money. What are we the Federal Government? If we borrow less money we don't have we are actually saving money? Ron Paul would be very disappointed in you JBock. The CAA would generate more revenue for us than the Big South does. And that's just in gate receipts. While I do agree that we should be winning more Championships in our high profile sports, an invite to the CAA would be nothing to turn our nose up at.
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By Purple Haize
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BuryYourDuke wrote:I think we would definitely move to the CAA or SoCon. The problem is that those conferences know that we will jump ship the second an FBS spot becomes available in ANY conference. You don't invite schools like that. Too much investment. To cross into SJ territory, you wouldn't ask a girl out if you knew her only true ambition was to marry a pro athlete and she hangs around ball parks in her spare time.
Depends on how hot she was!
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By bigsmooth
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i am certainly pulling for an ECU move to the big east which seems more a more likely thing according to the raleigh/durham media. I would think C-USA would want a travel partner for ODU and Liberty would fit that bill. I still think that if the SoCon or CAA called we should jump and they pay the exit fee, but we cannot even win the Big South in the big two sports, so heck i do not know what is optimal. I just know that if we struggle in big south football, any jump to another FCS league will be tough or to FBS we will get our butts handed to us for awhile.
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By NotAJerry
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BuryYourDuke wrote:I think we would definitely move to the CAA or SoCon. The problem is that those conferences know that we will jump ship the second an FBS spot becomes available in ANY conference. You don't invite schools like that. Too much investment.
You agree to an ironclad buyout fee ahead of time, even if it's more than the standard for that conference, and then it becomes doable. We're likely going to have to give that kind of concession if we want make a move within FCS.
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By LUalumfromnc
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Liberty is playing two FBS notables in 2016 in football during the same season (VT from the ACC and Baylor from the Big 12). Sign of a move to an FBS conference soon (hopefully for all sports as well)? I am hoping it is!!!! :football Play Basketball
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By Sly Fox
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We couldn't buy that type of 3rd party credibility coming from the Times if we wanted to. Terrific story and one that hopefully has some legs. make sure to share it on Facebook & Twitter.
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By aredd33
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I ESPN just tweeted that Maryland and Rutgers are in talks to join the Big Ten which would take the conference to 14 members. Maybe the Big Ten is going more aggressively after those schools now that Notre Dame is off the table.
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By Sly Fox
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Which would likely lead to ECU & possibly Southern Miss to the Big East ... this could spur a completely different set of circumstances.

Or this could all just be speculation once again.
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By NotAJerry
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Sly Fox wrote:Which would likely lead to ECU & possibly Southern Miss to the Big East ... this could spur a completely different set of circumstances.

Or this could all just be speculation once again.
Yep, the sticking point is UMD cutting sports due to finances then magically finding $50 million to jump ship from the ACC.

Of course, if it does happen, with the ECU/whomever jump to fill in the Big East spots, then it seems like the CUSA/MWC/Sun Belt dominoes start falling again and we get to speculate about a move up.
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By Purple Haize
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flamerbob wrote:Kevin Anderson should be fired for even considering this. If Maryland moves, they take themselves out of anything nationally.

Yeah, because they are so nationally relevant now......
By lynchburgwildcats
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If Maryland and Rutgers leave, and then UConn leaves, how much longer until Louisville leaves the Big East? With every passing day, that conference is gradually turning into the old Metro conference they wanted to get out of so badly.

As far as Maryland goes, how is this fiscally responsible in any matter? The buy out to leave the ACC is $50 million if I remember correctly. They are in debt so their reaction is "let's spend $50 million to go to a different conference"? I don't get it unless the Big Ten membership resolves their debt issues long term...
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By NotAJerry
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Louisville doesn't have anywhere to go. They're poor academically and not big enough on the sports front to trump that. Their only shot is the Big 12 if it decides to expand beyond the current 10 team setup.
By LUconn
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LUconn wrote: If it ever comes to the point where NBC is no longer a viable option for ND, they'll move to whatever conference they choose. And it won't be the ACC
$50,000,000 says they will join the ACC in that case - as in exit fee...
Alright, I'm bumping this. In light of UMD considering this move, ND would certainly entertain the thought if push came to shove.
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By Kolzilla41
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flamerbob wrote:Kevin Anderson should be fired for even considering this. If Maryland moves, they take themselves out of anything nationally.

Yeah, because they are so nationally relevant now......
Mark my words. 3 years Maryland will win a NC in Men's Basketball and will win the ACC in football.
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By Sly Fox
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A couple of things to note is that the Big Ten revenue sharing is potentially more attractive than ACC. And Perhaps the ACC is willing to work with the Terps on their exit in order to facilitate the Irish's entry into the ACC lineup.
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By bigsmooth
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flamerbob wrote:Kevin Anderson should be fired for even considering this. If Maryland moves, they take themselves out of anything nationally.

anderson destroyed their football program by firing Friedgen or getting him to resign, i cant remember, but this would be a bad move for MD other than the revenue they would get by joining the B1G, but if this does happen, the dominoes start to fall again and could help LU. Im an ACC guy and would hate to see a charter member leave but hey its all about money these days.
By lynchburgwildcats
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flamerbob wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:
flamerbob wrote:Kevin Anderson should be fired for even considering this. If Maryland moves, they take themselves out of anything nationally.

Yeah, because they are so nationally relevant now......
Mark my words. 3 years Maryland will win a NC in Men's Basketball and will win the ACC in football.
Good luck with that. Will be hard to pull that off with a move to the Big Ten...
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By Sly Fox
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As we wait to hear if the rumors of Maryland & Rutgers to the B1G come to fruition, I thought perhaps maybe I was overdue for another of my ramblings on realignment possibilities. So buckle yourself in and I will postulate on some possibilities from my perch in Texas.

If the rumored moves of Maryland & Rutgers do occur, here are how the lineups for the three impacted would likely look as a result:

B1G - 14 for Football & Hoops
  • Legends Division

    Iowa
    Michigan
    Michigan State
    Minnesota
    Nebraska
    Northwestern
    Wisconsin

    Leaders Division

    Illinois
    Indiana
    Maryland
    Ohio State
    Penn State
    Purdue
    Rutgers

ACC - 13 for Football & 14 for Hoops Starting 2015
  • Atlantic Division

    Boston College
    Clemson
    Florida State
    North Carolina State
    Syracuse
    Wake Forest

    Coastal Division

    Duke
    Georgia Tech
    Miami
    North Carolina
    Pittsburgh
    Virginia
    Virginia Tech

    Notre Dame* (Non-Football Starting 2015)

Big East - 12 for Football & 16 for Hoops
  • Central Florida
    Cincinnati
    Connecticut
    DePaul*
    Georgetown*
    Houston
    Louisville
    Marquette*
    Memphis
    Providence*
    St. John's*
    SMU
    South Florida
    Seton Hall*
    Temple
    Villanova*

    Football Associates

    Boise State
    Navy
    San Diego State
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Now let's look at what that would likely mean for each of the leagues as they move forward ...

First off, the B1G would be standing at a number of 14 that as we have seen from the SEC can be a little disjointed. With the Rust Belt declining in population, Jim Delaney is obviously looking to the Eastern Time Zone to boost the league's appeal to television executives. With Maryland & Rutgers, the league would make some nice gets with two of the top ten markets in DC & NYC. My hunch is that the league would once again go fishing in ACC waters hoping to land a pair of big fish that would bring significant TV markets while maintaining the academic reputation in which they pride themselves. Academic scandal withstanding, North Carolina is an obvious target along (would bring in 3 Top-50 markets) with Georgia Tech (ATL is currently market #9). Otherwise they either take another stab at Texas & Oklahoma or settle for random ACC/Big East leftovers. They really missed out on Missouri. Theoretically they could just stand at 14 and hope that Notre Dame changes its mind.

As for the ACC, the rumor that most take as an assumption is that if the Terps bolt then the league immediately invites UConn. It makes sense in that it would even out the football numbers and give the new northern contingent another regional rival. I agree that the league really needs to focus on another football addition. Adding Georgetown may help with the losing the DC market in hoops, but football is driving these efforts. The same goes for St. John's in hoops. Having Duke & UNC playing conference games in MSG would be huge. But again, football trumps all. Is it possible that Swofford makes the trip up to Morgantown with hat in hand to invite the 'Eers? I doubt it but anything is possible. I think the UConn option is probably more attractive unless they choose to stand firm.

The Big East is getting much more interesting. They wouldn't have to do anything. They could stand pat and dump the divisional alignment for football and play a round-robin. Hoops would remain a swollen mess. The rumors are already circulating once again that the seven non-football members of the league would like to split off and bring on other non-football powerhouses like Butler. But it doesn't make financial sense right now. The most likely scenario has them dipping down into C-USA for a full member so that they could keep their nice round divisional splits in football & hoops. The C-USA cupboard is pretty bare but East Carolina & ODU look like easy additions.

Unfortunately all these scenarios don't automatically open up room at the bottom of the FBS hierarchy for a school like us. We really need a couple more schools in the top tier on the move to really get the dominoes falling. But it wouldn't take much more movement to make it possible.
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