[NotAJerry]

Interesting that ESPN just ran the results of the first national poll on the name in 20 years and it's far more in favor of keeping the name than any of the local polls have been in recent years. 79% supported keeping the name, which is a pretty big margin but is still down 10% from the last national poll.

[jbock13]

Not that anyone's ancestry makes their point any more or less relevant. That's another problem of today's modern society where only a certain group can have an opinion on an issue.

[forbidden]

Pennsylvania Coal Crackers is a semi pro football team, lol

[4everfsu]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/92353 ... skins-name

Here is the story of the poll finding earlier.

[4everfsu]

Not that anyone's ancestry makes their point any more or less relevant. That's another problem of today's modern society where only a certain group can have an opinion on an issue.

Only those with 1/32nd or more with native ancestry counts on the name change, etc.

[adam42381]

Okay, and crackers was at one time offensive, and today it's not. Words change. Definitions change. It's a fact of life.

I'm pretty sure the term cracker is still considered somewhat offensive except in Florida where it has a different meaning. Also, I don't know of any major sports teams called the Crackers.

Atlanta Black Crackers were a Negro League Team.

What year was that again?

[jbock13]

What year was that again?

20's and 30's. Which proves my point that language changes.

[adam42381]

The n-word was pervasive back then as well. Is that no longer offensive? At this point I'd imagine you'll say it isn't and people are race baiting by being offended by that word as well.

[jbock13]

The n-word was pervasive back then as well. Is that no longer offensive? At this point I'd imagine you'll say it isn't and people are race baiting by being offended by that word as well.

Considering that the word is used often amongst young blacks and whites today, yes, I would argue the word is no longer offensive.

[thepostman]

The n-word was pervasive back then as well. Is that no longer offensive? At this point I'd imagine you'll say it isn't and people are race baiting by being offended by that word as well.

Considering that the word is used often amongst young blacks and whites today, yes, I would argue the word is no longer offensive.

I agreed with you up until now....now you should stop

[adam42381]

The n-word was pervasive back then as well. Is that no longer offensive? At this point I'd imagine you'll say it isn't and people are race baiting by being offended by that word as well.

Considering that the word is used often amongst young blacks and whites today, yes, I would argue the word is no longer offensive.

It seems to me that you are actually racist and possibly don't even realize it. Wow.

[Purple Haize]

I would think Injun would be more offensive. But until the Irish have a problem with Notre Dame...I don't take any of it seriously

[jbock13]

How so? Just because you don't want have to an honest conversation that challenges popular groupthink? Nothing that I have just said can be disproven. We can disagree on the issues, that's fine, but it seems we're just avoiding the real root of the problem and just skirting around the edges.

For what it's worth, I didn't unload my honest opinion without thinking it wouldn't cause controversy. I just simply choose to say what I truly believe. Listen to any rap song today. If it's so offense today, why do they constantly refer to themselves in that manner? White people also do it too with their black friends. I often visit friends from my time lived in Roanoke City and know for a fact that they use such language across racial lines, without the context of bigotry and supremacy. Why? Because they're friends. They know each other. They believe in what race really is... the human race. They come from different ethincities, but they celebrate what makes us all happy: comradery and friendship.

Which leads me back to my original point: was it a slur at one time? Yes. Is it today? That's for everyone to come to their own conclusion. But be sure to challenge group-thought. Dare to explore new ideas, and formulate your own hypothesis.

[adam42381]

That's kind of funny coming from this board.

[jbock13]

It's funny how offended you are that people get offended by offensive things. :I chortle audibly.:

Fair.

[thepostman]

regardless of who uses the n word it is a word that should not be used. White or black. Yes, words change in meaning, but the n word is still be used in a very, very negative way and those who make light of that should be ashamed of themselves.

So yes, I agree with you that words change in meaning over time, but I completely disagree with your view on the n word.

[jbock13]

And that's fine, but I also believe the word is continuing to evolve. Personally I do not use it myself either. But, since I got trapped into a major distraction, my point about the term Redskin remains the same. I have shown that words do indeed evolve, regardless of origin.

I actually enjoy this conversation. Even though i know no one agrees with me.

[adam42381]

On a similar note, kids use profanity constantly. Does that mean they're no longer offensive?

Disclaimer: I have no issue with so called curse words as they don't offend me personally.

[jbock13]

On a similar note, kids use profanity constantly. Does that mean they're no longer offensive?

Disclaimer: I have no issue with so called curse words as they don't offend me personally.

I think we're just going down a rabbit trail from this point. But here in lies the difference: you are personally offended. That's much different from someone claiming to represent a group of people who are supposedly all offended.

[adam42381]

On a similar note, kids use profanity constantly. Does that mean they're no longer offensive?

Disclaimer: I have no issue with so called curse words as they don't offend me personally.

I think we're just going down a rabbit trail from this point. But here in lies the difference: you are personally offended. That's much different from someone claiming to represent a group of people who are supposedly all offended.

I'm NOT personally offended. Groupthink says those words are offensive however.

[jbock13]

On a similar note, kids use profanity constantly. Does that mean they're no longer offensive?

Disclaimer: I have no issue with so called curse words as they don't offend me personally.

I think we're just going down a rabbit trail from this point. But here in lies the difference: you are personally offended. That's much different from someone claiming to represent a group of people who are supposedly all offended.

I'm NOT personally offended.

Oops, I read it as "unless they offend me personally." But either way, still, there's still a distinction between the choose. You choose not to be offended, and I say more power to you.

[RubberMallet]

i don't have much patience for people who are offended by stuff that really has nothing to do with them. people love to unnecessarily inject themselves into issues that really affects their life not one bit. this pretty much is a perfect example.

[adam42381]

i don't have much patience for people who are offended by stuff that really has nothing to do with them. people love to unnecessarily inject themselves into issues that really affects their life not one bit. this pretty much is a perfect example.

This and gay marriage, right?

[RubberMallet]

not compatible. the statement i made is in regards to taking offense to text and wording. the gay marriage debate socio-economically impacts alot more than just 2 people. keeping your philly cheesesteak shop named "Chinks" does not.

[lynchburgwildcats]

The n-word was pervasive back then as well. Is that no longer offensive? At this point I'd imagine you'll say it isn't and people are race baiting by being offended by that word as well.

Considering that the word is used often amongst young blacks and whites today, yes, I would argue the word is no longer offensive.

If you are anything but black/african-american, go to the really bad parts of downtow and start calling every black person you see the n-word and see how well that goes over. Might want to pack some heat with you before you go though...