[Purple Haize]

Since when have 1) coaches produced highly entertaining books and videos and 2) coaches pawning books and videos become a bad thing?

[lynchburgwildcats]

being somewhat near the area, i've heard of both colleges. more so the coach of grinnell who pretty much uses his coaching at grinnell as a stepping stone to promote his awful books about his stupid strategy of how to win basketball games.

this guy and his team is a 3 ring circus of stupid. they press to get the steal, if they get it they chuck up 3's with a few guys while the other 3 guys go for o-rebounds. if they get it, even if they are wide open for a 2 pt shot they chuck it out for the 3. and they just keep shooting them. usually only 1 guy on the floor is going to shoot. if the other team gets through the press they basically have an easy wide open shot.

it only works this well on rrrreally bad teams. fbc is like 200-300 students i think. i could probably enroll and walk on right now.

This. All of it.

There is a reason why schools that go to it abandon it after a few years. They long realize that it isn't going to win the any games against teams that have players that don't run around like a chicken with their head cut off when pressured. Which is to say they don't win games against good teams. Any system that is based around playing defense for only 12 seconds and turning down wide open layups for any three pointer, rather it is wide open or contested, is a complete joke. Even Jordan Crawford, who might have the worst shot selection of any player I've ever seen, finds it completely moronic to turn down an open layup for a three pointer.

This system isn't even as much as marginally successful outside the regular season. The conference is bad, real bad, only having nine NCAA Tournament wins total - five of which belong to the one school in the conference that has ever made a splash nationally. Grinnell hasn't even been to the NCAA Tournament since 2001, and they 0-2 in the NCAA Tournament with an average margin of defeat of 27.5 points, so basically have never even put themselves in position to have a chance to win in the tournament. They are the definition of a low D3. Always have and always will be with the system.

[Purple Haize]

There is a reason why schools that go to it abandon it after a few years. .

He's been there 20+ years running the same thing. Define 'a few years"
He's sold a lot of books and videos
People are paying attention to his school

And none of it takes away from what the kid did

[lynchburgwildcats]

There is a reason why schools that go to it abandon it after a few years. .

He's been there 20+ years running the same thing. Define 'a few years"
He's sold a lot of books and videos
People are paying attention to his school

And none of it takes away from what the kid did

I meant schools other than Grinnell. No other school sticks with it because it consistently fails against good teams in tournaments. Only school that has run it that is apparently content with consistently losing in conference and NCAA Tournaments is Grinnell. Redlands, Emory & Henry, VMI, Puget Sound, Manhattanville, Greenville, and Muhlenberg women all use to run it and have abandoned it.

[Cider Jim]

They are the definition of a low D3. Always have and always will be with the system.

So you're saying that Grinnell wouldn't stand a chance against a powerhouse D3 team like LC?

[lynchburgwildcats]

They are the definition of a low D3. Always have and always will be with the system.

So you're saying that Grinnell wouldn't stand a chance against a powerhouse D3 team like LC?

Not sure if they would beat LC or not, I don't know how good they will be this year and LC never plays the same teams as Grinnell given the geographic disparity. I can say LC did finish 5th in the ODAC last year - which is considered one of the top five conferences in D3 - meanwhile a great year at Grinnell would consist of them finishing runner up in a conference annually considered to be in the bottom half of D3, which consists of 43 conferences.

But they would get blown out if they played a Top 25 or an at-large NCAA Tournament team, just like they always do. He rarely schedules those games though, he'd rather schedule some littler sister of the poor team to set records.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Actually, I must partially retract part of one of my statements. I was under the false impression that Puget Sounds ran the system unmodified based on an article I had read. An avid Puget Sound fan informed me otherwise. Apparently, it was heavily modified where they looked to play defense for the entire possession and took open layups when they had them instead of just looking to jack up three pointer after three pointer no matter how poor of a shot it was.

[Purple Haize]

And still not taking anything away from what the kid accomplished

[phoenix]

It is indeed, CJ. There are anglicized Spanish names of communities up and down the Ohio River for some reason. Phoenix lives close to BYOON-uh VIST-uh. Then again, isn't that the name of the little town with the Mormon college on the way to Lexington on 501?

Don't get me started. Byoonuh Vista, Ver-SAYLs, GallapolEEES .... (though they're starting to change the pronunciation of the last one, I think)

Speculation is that they were settled by veterans coming home from the Mexican War. I haven't bothered digging into local history enough to verify that, but it sounds good

[RubberMallet]

And still not taking anything away from what the kid accomplished

what takes away from it is that it's was against a team of seminary students who you me and three other schmoes could probably handle. like when you put up 30 against the old guys at the club. nevermind it was orchestrated by an idiot of a coach. hey let's absolutely murder this team of bunheads. but this time. only 1 guy take all the shots. it's a joke.

[Purple Haize]

And still not taking anything away from what the kid accomplished

what takes away from it is that it's was against a team of seminary students who you me and three other schmoes could probably handle. like when you put up 30 against the old guys at the club. nevermind it was orchestrated by an idiot of a coach. hey let's absolutely murder this team of bunheads. but this time. only 1 guy take all the shots. it's a joke.

But you have to make the shots. Like I said earlier, take a look at the shot chart and try to accomplish the same thing. Then add a defender, because several of those shots they had a hand in his face. It's no more a shame then what LSU ran. The fact remains you have to make the shots, he did.

[lynchburgwildcats]

And still not taking anything away from what the kid accomplished

what takes away from it is that it's was against a team of seminary students who you me and three other schmoes could probably handle. like when you put up 30 against the old guys at the club. nevermind it was orchestrated by an idiot of a coach. hey let's absolutely murder this team of bunheads. but this time. only 1 guy take all the shots. it's a joke.

But you have to make the shots. Like I said earlier, take a look at the shot chart and try to accomplish the same thing. Then add a defender, because several of those shots they had a hand in his face. It's no more a shame then what LSU ran. The fact remains you have to make the shots, he did.

Several. Like 10 out of the 108 he took. Most of those shots were the types of shots you get in an old man's YMCA league where the old people don't play defense because they might blow out their knee. Plus he was cherry picking nearly all game. That's intramural type garbage.

[Purple Haize]

Did you watch the game?
He still made them.
You are just jealous.

[RubberMallet]

And still not taking anything away from what the kid accomplished

what takes away from it is that it's was against a team of seminary students who you me and three other schmoes could probably handle. like when you put up 30 against the old guys at the club. nevermind it was orchestrated by an idiot of a coach. hey let's absolutely murder this team of bunheads. but this time. only 1 guy take all the shots. it's a joke.

But you have to make the shots. Like I said earlier, take a look at the shot chart and try to accomplish the same thing. Then add a defender, because several of those shots they had a hand in his face. It's no more a shame then what LSU ran. The fact remains you have to make the shots, he did.

if he shoots 70% or over 50 % from beyond sure but he was under 50/40 or some crap. ho hum percentages. it was only a matter of taking a lot of shots, being the only guy taking those shots, and playing a team of corpses.

[Purple Haize]

52-108
27-71 from behind the arc. 38%. Not great but solid.
25-37 everywhere else.
He took the shots and made them. Are they playing a quality opponent? No. But it's also not just shooting around in an empty gym either. Again, go to the local Y and jack up 71 3 ptrs in 40 minutes. Or mix it up with a couple of 3's followed by a lay up and/or mid range jumper. Or pay a kid to put a hand up as you shoot those 71 3's. then get back to me with your percentage.

[RubberMallet]

52-108
27-71 from behind the arc. 38%. Not great but solid.
25-37 everywhere else.
He took the shots and made them. Are they playing a quality opponent? No. But it's also not just shooting around in an empty gym either. Again, go to the local Y and jack up 71 3 ptrs in 40 minutes. Or mix it up with a couple of 3's followed by a lay up and/or mid range jumper. Or pay a kid to put a hand up as you shoot those 71 3's. then get back to me with your percentage.

the ole' you couldn't do it argument? really? this isn't some phenom kid having an extraordinary night. just a kid who shot alot and made an average amount shots against a ymca team.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Did you watch the game?
He still made them.
You are just jealous.

Yep, I'm jealous that my current employer, which is my #1 rooting interest in D3, is a vastly superior team now and historically than Grinnell. I'll gladly take my team winning games and being relevant in their own conference tournament over some dude scoring 138 points.

[lynchburgwildcats]

52-108
27-71 from behind the arc. 38%. Not great but solid.
25-37 everywhere else.
He took the shots and made them. Are they playing a quality opponent? No. But it's also not just shooting around in an empty gym either. Again, go to the local Y and jack up 71 3 ptrs in 40 minutes. Or mix it up with a couple of 3's followed by a lay up and/or mid range jumper. Or pay a kid to put a hand up as you shoot those 71 3's. then get back to me with your percentage.

That's you argument? Maybe you need to actually watch the game instead of just the propaganda machine highlight reel. Over half his shots weren't the least bit contested, glorified open gym shots. For a talented player, 38% from three isn't that hard against a poor high school JV squad which is basically what he played against.

[Cider Jim]

Is there a LINK somewhere to watch this game? I'd rather do that on a Black Friday than go to Walmart or the mall today.

[Purple Haize]

My argument is that he did it. Which is a pretty good argument since nobody else has, even on his own team with the SS system in place for 25 years. Your argument is that since he didn't do it against a top D3 school it's irrelevant. I can see validity to that. But if it is no big deal, as is claimed, because this is some junk system against a team who was awful, then why has no one in that same system come close.
I have watched some YouTube clips of the game and what I can find online. Sure he hits bunch of open shots. But he hit them. I was not saying 'you can't do it so its awesome'. I was just trying to give perspective.
And again, more people have heard of Grinnell than LC

[Cider Jim]

I guess my question is, how much difference is there between a top-tier D3 team and a D3 bottom dweller? I mean, they are all non-scholarship, right, so are they really that much better than an top intramural team at a DI school?

[BJWilliams]

(cue shuk making some crack about Liberty in 3...2...1...)

[Purple Haize]

I guess my question is, how much difference is there between a top-tier D3 team and a D3 bottom dweller? I mean, they are all non-scholarship, right, so are they really that much better than an top intramural team at a DI school?

I'm not sure if Faith Baptist is even a D3 or NAIA school. I THINK they are NCCAA, which is where we won out only National Champioship lol
I think it's impressive this kid did it in a game setting, regardless the competition. And I'm sure the school is THRILLED with the attention

[Sly Fox]

Yes, Faith Baptist Bible College is a NCCAA Division II school. CJ understands what that means. They are on par with Tennessee Temple by classification.

[Purple Haize]

Yes, Faith Baptist Bible College is a NCCAA Division II school. CJ understands what that means. They are on par with Tennessee Temple by classification.

Don't forget Moody Bible was also in that classification !