[g-webb1994]

How many National Championships did the Fab Five win?

How many NBA titles as individuals have any of the Fab Five won?

ZERO.

However, Howard is hanging on like a whore trying to back into a ring with the Heat this year, which will end, as per Fab Five usual, in failure.

It was an absolute joy watching the "Uncle Toms" thrash these punks in the 1992 final, then the following year, watch the Fab Five show their true academic ability by not being able to count to the number five, as in timeouts, choking away any chance against a team with actual character, academic ability and class in Dean Smith and the Tar Heels.

This great Fab Five, along with the thug cheaters known as Tarks Sharks of the same era, did one thing to college basketball....help to ruin it, by beginning the trend of players bolting early for the NBA, and not giving two cents of a crap of being what they should be...STUDENT athletes.

Screw the Fab Five. ESPN wanted a ratings grab by profiling a bunch of thug losers and got it.

[Purple Haize]

I am not sure how anyone who watched this can say that Jalen Rose doesn't STILL think of Duke players as Uncle Toms. I agree with Hurley that I am not sure how much PT Jalen would have gotten his freshman year. But let's not forget the key thing: GRADES. Jalen Rose sort of glossed over that when he said "They don't recruit players like me..." He thinks it is a race thing, when it really was an economic thing.
As for UNLV, they actually WON NCAA Championships, so GW I am not sure how you can put them in the same category as the Fab 5

[SuperJon]

I think he was saying Duke goes after guys from solid families and there's a lot of truth to that. He was jealous of Grant Hill because he came from a great black family when his family life sucked. He was jealous that Grant Hill's dad was in his life and his dad shunned him.

True or False: Duke recruits from solid families, many being more wealthy or affluent.

True or False: Duke doesn't recruit guys that are from rough families or from rough areas.

I'm not saying it's wrong for Duke to recruit that way because it's not, but Rose was right in what he was saying.

[Purple Haize]

I think he was saying Duke goes after guys from solid families and there's a lot of truth to that. He was jealous of Grant Hill because he came from a great black family when his family life sucked. He was jealous that Grant Hill's dad was in his life and his dad shunned him.

True or False: Duke recruits from solid families, many being more wealthy or affluent.

True or False: Duke doesn't recruit guys that are from rough families or from rough areas.

I'm not saying it's wrong for Duke to recruit that way because it's not, but Rose was right in what he was saying.

False
False

However, for the majority of Duke's players it is true. But again to have the grades to get into Duke, you need to either have a solid home life or a solid sense of purpose. The second being a great attribute to an athlete

[RubberMallet]

How many National Championships did the Fab Five win?

How many NBA titles as individuals have any of the Fab Five won?

ZERO.

However, Howard is hanging on like a whore trying to back into a ring with the Heat this year, which will end, as per Fab Five usual, in failure.

It was an absolute joy watching the "Uncle Toms" thrash these punks in the 1992 final, then the following year, watch the Fab Five show their true academic ability by not being able to count to the number five, as in timeouts, choking away any chance against a team with actual character, academic ability and class in Dean Smith and the Tar Heels.

This great Fab Five, along with the thug cheaters known as Tarks Sharks of the same era, did one thing to college basketball....help to ruin it, by beginning the trend of players bolting early for the NBA, and not giving two cents of a crap of being what they should be...STUDENT athletes.

Screw the Fab Five. ESPN wanted a ratings grab by profiling a bunch of thug losers and got it.

i literally laughed out loud at the butthurt like 3 times here. good stuff. did you see some of the letters you sent on the documentary?

[RubberMallet]

I think he was saying Duke goes after guys from solid families and there's a lot of truth to that. He was jealous of Grant Hill because he came from a great black family when his family life sucked. He was jealous that Grant Hill's dad was in his life and his dad shunned him.

True or False: Duke recruits from solid families, many being more wealthy or affluent.

True or False: Duke doesn't recruit guys that are from rough families or from rough areas.

I'm not saying it's wrong for Duke to recruit that way because it's not, but Rose was right in what he was saying.

False
False

However, for the majority of Duke's players it is true. But again to have the grades to get into Duke, you need to either have a solid home life or a solid sense of purpose. The second being a great attribute to an athlete

was he right at the time? did you see that duke team? i wonder what the total net worth of the parents of the kids on that basketball team was. they even went after webber but even webber said nothing happened after the initial inquiry. like they were "eh nevermind"...

duke pimpslapped them which they completely deserved though.

[kingaling42]

A lot of you guys here are really full of it- well mostly just G-Webb actually.. your judgement of people that you have absolutely no idea how there lives were/are- what a lot of people put up with- if you were born into a situation where things are out of your control as a child/young adult you would be in the same situation as some of these kids- who just happened to be pretty good at playing basketball.. to hate on them because the media hyped them up- they didn't go looking for the attention that was given to them, but they certainly didn't back down from it either- guess that makes them bad people now too.

Newsflash: College athletes are exploited- their talents in exchange for scholarship monies which are mere fractions of the revenues produced in many cases- THEY (athletes) earn schools and sponsors so much money it's almost criminal that something isn't done about it.. These guys figured that out and spoke out about it- did you guys pay any attention to the sales data provided- the NCAA is a sham in their own hypocrisy and sooner or later someone will clean it up and get rid of that ridiculous 'amatuerism' label- it simply doesn't exist in sports anymore at any level..

Little League teams have had company sponsors since I can remember and kids tout the company logo on their t-shirts/hats or the banner on the dugout- every level of sports in the USA is sponsored, apparel/shoes/equipment is supplied or 'donated' or something- summer camps, high schools, AAU teams, and on and on these deals are struck and sports as a whole has sold out.. I have nothing against sponsorship, nothing at all, I also have nothing against athletes standing up and pointing out what is wrong with the system- the NCAA is a joke and the 'rules' simply don't make sense in their current form..

The Fab Five was created by the real problem with sports today- our insatiable need to have the media drive our curiosity instead of thinking for ourselves.. these guys went out & played ball, they weren't looking for your approval now or then.. some of you saints here posting unnecessary hatred have some nerve to criticize anyone.. if you walked a mile in their shoes you'd most likely end up doing the same thing.. they've enjoyed more success than any message board poster here ever has. Just like the whole Curry deal- just worry about yourself..

[g-webb1994]

Did any of them actually get their degree from Michigan?

[jbock13]

Look, I don't think anyone is disputing what Jalen is saying about who Duke recruits.

My problem was with him calling succesful blacks "uncle toms".

I saw his appearance on 1st and 10, and what he said confused me even more as to what he meant.

[pbow]

How many National Championships did the Fab Five win?

How many NBA titles as individuals have any of the Fab Five won?

ZERO.

However, Howard is hanging on like a whore trying to back into a ring with the Heat this year, which will end, as per Fab Five usual, in failure.

It was an absolute joy watching the "Uncle Toms" thrash these punks in the 1992 final, then the following year, watch the Fab Five show their true academic ability by not being able to count to the number five, as in timeouts, choking away any chance against a team with actual character, academic ability and class in Dean Smith and the Tar Heels.

This great Fab Five, along with the thug cheaters known as Tarks Sharks of the same era, did one thing to college basketball....help to ruin it, by beginning the trend of players bolting early for the NBA, and not giving two cents of a crap of being what they should be...STUDENT athletes.

Screw the Fab Five. ESPN wanted a ratings grab by profiling a bunch of thug losers and got it.

yikes...

[ALUmnus]

Did any of them actually get their degree from Michigan?

Not that it even matters, but Juwan Howard did. And they've all been pretty successful in their lives. Your snobbery in all this is pathetic.

[jbock13]

For the record, I hate all these "30 for 30" shows. Its like men watching oprah. stop being such a whiney baby

But seriously, len bias, perfect example. You can cry all you want, it was his life and his choice cost him is life. What else do you want to go back and fix? Glorify a man who's poor life choices killed him?

Hopefully I don't get villified for my opinion, I just feel that some of these 30 for 30 shows glorifies poor life choices.

[WinthropEagleFan]

For the record, I hate all these "30 for 30" shows. Its like men watching oprah. stop being such a whiney baby

But seriously, len bias, perfect example. You can cry all you want, it was his life and his choice cost him is life. What else do you want to go back and fix? Glorify a man who's poor life choices killed him?

Hopefully I don't get villified for my opinion, I just feel that some of these 30 for 30 shows glorifies poor life choices.

Not going to vilify you, but I've been pretty impressed with most of the 30 for 30 documentaries. In many cases, they explored stories that either happened when I was really young (so I didn't remember the details), or refreshed stories that I had forgotten or never got very in depth with.

Personally, I thought these were really good ones:
-Wayne Gretzky trade
-USFL
-Muhammad Ali vs. Larry Holmes
-Allen Iverson
-The Raiders/LA relationship
-The day of the OJ chase
-The Columbian World Cup soccer team (my personal favorite...I thought it was very well done)
-The Vlade Divac/Drazen Petrovic one


And there are a few I haven't seen (including the Fab 5 one)....a few weren't good (the rotisserie baseball one was a good idea, but the execution of it was awful)...

But I personally like the series.

[Schfourteenteen]

You liked the LA Raiders one? That was easily in my bottom two coupled with the Red Sox World Series Run.

I was also a fan of Run Ricky Run, the Marcus Dupree one, Matt Hoffman, and the LLWS kids from 1982.

[olldflame]

I haven't seen them all, but of those I have "The Two Escobars" was hands down the best. Absolutely compelling.

[bravo269er]

I liked the shows about Gretzky, and SMU. Judging by reaction they should do a history of Duke from Coach K's arrival on.

[Purple Haize]

I have really enjoyed the 30 for 30's

The Two Escobars
SMU
The Best that Never Was
Allen Iverson

Didn't like
The Tyson one
Rotary Baseball

[pbow]

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0 ... alen-rose/

This is a piece Grant Hill wrote for the NY Times as a response to Jalen's comments. It's a good read and really well written.

[Purple Haize]

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0 ... alen-rose/

This is a piece Grant Hill wrote for the NY Times as a response to Jalen's comments. It's a good read and really well written.

Is this because he comes from:
1 - A 'nuclear family'
2 - His parents are wealthy
3 - He graduated from Duke

Just sayin....

[jbock13]

As I said before, everybody knows Duke does recruit blacks who grow up in solid homes.

But, Jalen's comments point out a huge problem in the black community, that some view successful blacks as "uncle tom's". It's interesting, and I really don't think unless you went to a majority black school, you probably can't understand the problems there are in those communities.

I'm not implying it's because they are black, so please don't misunderstand. It's just the unfortunate culture, that successful blacks are seen as "selling out" their race.

Besides, we're not white, black, hispanic. We're all one race. THE HUMAN RACE.

[jenkins]

because Grant is a classy guy, always has been. He took the high road all the while calling out just how patetic those comments were and pointing to their own arrogance and stereotypical nature in the way they categorized duke. Duke is what is, they have to recruit those kids to excel under the rigorious academic stresses of the school. Cwebb and Jalen Rose come out looking the worst in this whole thing. Duke is the model program and that is why there is so much hate, they do things the right way, they dont have to cheat. The proof is in the pudding, look at what Michigan got for recruiting the fab five..how did that work out for them! No titles and a boat load of violations and sanctions and the main star cant even show his face at the school. Thats precisely why duke doesn't recruit those guys.

[bravo269er]

Jenkins, I agree. Coach K knows what he's doing, and he can recruit whoever he wants too. How can you fault him for not wanting guys who could potentially embarass the university and program? Duke is a ELITE university. They have high academic standards, and adhere to them. There is nothing wrong with that. A guy can play ball, but if he can't academically hack it why go for him? I'm not saying Jalen couldn't make it there, but he's one guy. When you act like a fool you make people hesistant. People can hate Duke all they want, but they win and they stay true to themselves. You have to respect that. People forget that Coach K went to West Point which is a elite academic university. He understands the rigors, and knows first hand what it takes to make it. Most of these guys couldn't make it, and thats the truth.

[jenkins]

bravo, absolutely he does and he should. It just shows how ridiculous those comments by Jalen and the other 2 no-names who are desparate for attention now since they flamed out. There is a reason why duke doesn't recruit those guys and it's good reason. EVERY school in america would take the kids duke gets..IF THEY COULD GET THEM. The only reason trouble makers get a chance is because there are few and far between kids that are good players, good students, and have pretty good character. So most of teh other teams (if they don't have a distinguising draw i.e. christian school, historical power, or something of that nature) are forced to try to win by taking the other guys that have either character flaws or bad grades or both. I'm not a duke fan, in fact i grew up a uva fan, so over the years i have come to appreciate how duke gets things done. UVA could learn a lot from Duke and i think Bennett has realized this with the type of kids he has been bringing in. I think this whole thing exposed Rose, jackson, and King and demonstrated why most of America hated them at that time.

[ALUmnus]

I'm still baffled. Did people not watch these comments in their context? Maybe Rose made things worse in his interviews since the episode, I don't know, I haven't seen them. But getting offended from the actual Fab 5 special seems odd to me.

[RubberMallet]

its terribly obvious he didn't even watch the documentary. Why does he feel the need to lecture the feelings of a 17 year old boy. a guy on local sports radio was a duke grad and he said that was even they way duke students felt at the time.

apparently the fab five didn't do a good job of conveying that what they were talking about was how they felt 20 years ago. not how they feel today.

hills response seems 8 paragraphs too long. Like he tried to hard to be above it all.

It would be a great response to anyone that would call him an uncle tom today. He was protecting Duke University than anything else. The other stuff was sideshow filler and grandstanding. An educated man should understand the tone and the voice of immaturity it came from.