[ToTheLeft]

Heck we would NEED Mike Rocco to even compete in the BSC next year!

Coastal and SBU aren't pushovers. If we can't run the ball at all without Mike Brown at QB, we're in trouble.

[jcmanson]

We will always "compete" for the Big South as long as we're in it.

[From the class of 09]

Heck we would NEED Mike Rocco to even compete in the BSC next year!

Coastal and SBU aren't pushovers. If we can't run the ball at all without Mike Brown at QB, we're in trouble.

Agree but he said "compete" even you have to admit we could compete in the BSC without MB or Rocco. Shared titles 1-3 place finishes all get to say they competed.

[ToTheLeft]

Agree but he said "compete" even you have to admit we could compete in the BSC without MB or Rocco. Shared titles 1-3 place finishes all get to say they competed.

I guess so. I just can't lower my expectations that far, even hypothetically.

[BJWilliams]

Mike Rocco gets his first spotlight win as he throws for 118 and a TD in a 24-21 upset win over the 12th ranked and (formerly) undefeated Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets

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Mike Rocco gets his first spotlight win as he throws for 118 and a TD in a 24-21 upset win over the 12th ranked and (formerly) undefeated Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets

Also got benched... Need him to get benched for rest of year, get upset, and then transfer...

[jmdickens]

I was at this game....Rocco got benched after throwing one bad pick. However, this was after he threw a touchdown pass and managed a drive well enough for a Running back for UVA to score. London was looking for reasons to bench Rocco. It was nonsense, because he would finally put Rocco back in and then after one bad play he would take him out. I just dont get it.

[jcmanson]

London was looking for reasons to bench Rocco. It was nonsense, because he would finally put Rocco back in and then after one bad play he would take him out. I just dont get it.

You answered your own question. London wants Watford to be the QB. That plus UVA has another blue chip QB coming out of the 757 next year and Rocco will get pushed out.

[jmdickens]

That stinks for Rocco, because the kid can play. Well, if LU gets him and he shines then I guess that works too. lol

[NotAJerry]

I was at this game....Rocco got benched after throwing one bad pick. However, this was after he threw a touchdown pass and managed a drive well enough for a Running back for UVA to score. London was looking for reasons to bench Rocco. It was nonsense, because he would finally put Rocco back in and then after one bad play he would take him out. I just dont get it.

2011: 3 TD and 8 INT.
2010: 1 TD and 2 INT.

Get it now?

[jinxy]

the other 4 star QB coming in is from Georgia not the 757. He's a 4 star pocket passer. London is doing that idiotic QB rotation which does nothing but keeps both guys from getting in a rhythm. Mike has led the team to TD's on 2 of 3 first drives of the game the last 3 weeks before being taken out. Then he struggles to find his groove after that.

[NotAJerry]

Well, I hope he ends up coming home. Mike London was always overrated. He won the NC with another coach's players.

He was 24-5 in 2 years with a team that immediately dropped to 6-5 the year he left and is 3-3 this year. It's preposterous to say Mike London, who already has UVA playing everyone tough, winning games, and getting top tier recruits, is overrated.

UVA is in good position to make a bowl in his 2nd year and he's got a recruiting class for 2012 that is currently rated 23rd by ESPN on the heels of the 20th ranked class in 2011. He's a top notch coach and recruiter and the only question is whether he can push UVA to elite status or will he bolt for a premier job soon.

[LUconn]

He was 24-5 in 2 years with a team that immediately dropped to 6-5 the year he left and is 3-3 this year.

I don't know anything about him myself BUT those numbers right there make him look like he coached up the previous coaches players and then the program dropped once his recruits hit the starting line up.

[jcmanson]

London took over UR at the perfect time. They were coming off an 11-3 season with a run to the semifinals and had a lot of talent coming back. London comes in and gets them to the National Championship. You can’t take that away from him. He used that to jump to UVA. But he’s been a head coach for 3 ½ seasons. We don’t really know if he’s a solid recruiter yet or has the ability to build a program. Time will tell.

[BJWilliams]

Agreed...the mark of a coach is how he does once he has his own recruits. Mike London came in, won a NC with Clawson's recruits, then went to UVA and has had Al Groh's players the last couple years. Look at our situation here at Liberty. Danny Rocco came in but he was working with Karcher's players for a few years...last year was I think the first season where he was working with exclusively his own recruits.

[NotAJerry]

You cited his record at UR, which was good. How was Richmond the couple of years before London got there? They got to the semi-finals the season before he got there under Clawson. They returned 16 starters and won the NC.

In 06, two years before London took the job, they were 6-5. Clawson built Richmond and London put them over the top. The dropoff for Richmond after London left is at coach, not talent. They tried to do the unproven young coach thing again with Latrell Scott, but he's a bad gameday coach.

London has already pulled in one top 25 recruiting class at UVA. He's got another lined up. Every recruiting site I know of has UVA competing on even ground with VA Tech for in state recruits this year. Rivals has UVA landing the top MLB in the country for the 2012 class. Add that to him winning more with Groh's recruits (supposedly) than Groh was, and there isn't even a slight reason to think he isn't going to get the job done.

His two current recruiting classes have produced 6 starters for UVA as well as another 20 members of their current two-deep. This is in addition to the increased level of play, he took over a 3-9 squad and has produced 4-8 and now a 4-2 start, strongly suggests the idea that he's relying on Groh's recruits to be less than accurate.

I don't know what his top end is, but he's off to an excellent start both in recruiting and on field results.

[jinxy]

wow, you are WAY high on London right now. He have proven himself as a recruiter. His in game decision making is questionable at best. His handling of the QB's alone is enough to make me question him. As far as Uva playing everyone tough...i'd completely disagree again. The schedules are incredibly weak and Idaho was a failed last play 2 pt conversion away from beating uva...indiana errased a 20 pt deficit and lost 33 to 31 against UVA and they are one of the worst 5 college football programs in FBS. In fairness, he has had one big win each of the past 2 seasons (GT, and Miami last year). The jury is still out on London, i mean he milked that championship right in to a job. He may become a great coach but i'm very much on the fence right now.

[NotAJerry]

wow, you are WAY high on London right now. He have proven himself as a recruiter. His in game decision making is questionable at best. His handling of the QB's alone is enough to make me question him. As far as Uva playing everyone tough...i'd completely disagree again. The schedules are incredibly weak and Idaho was a failed last play 2 pt conversion away from beating uva...indiana errased a 20 pt deficit and lost 33 to 31 against UVA and they are one of the worst 5 college football programs in FBS. In fairness, he has had one big win each of the past 2 seasons (GT, and Miami last year). The jury is still out on London, i mean he milked that championship right in to a job. He may become a great coach but i'm very much on the fence right now.

Rocco isn't good enough to play at the FBS level. The TD/INT numbers are awful. As far as the games, UVA was a bad call by the refs on a fake punt from beating USC in LA. That's a level that they've never been at. I'll take 4-2, with a very young team, over the just above mediocre years of Groh an Welsch.

As far as Idaho and Indiana go, Idaho is a program who has been to bowls in two straight years (but is down this year) and Indiana played Penn State to a 6 point decision this year. The Idaho game looks like the perfect case of a young team looking past a perceived pushover. The 2 losses this year are UNC on the road and 5-1 Southern Miss at home. A schedule with NC State, Maryland and Duke still on it should assure them of 6 or 7 wins and a bowl game. That's pretty good progress for 2 recruiting classes at a nothing football school.

[jinxy]

wow, so competing with USC who is not that good is your barometer. Sounds like a lot of excuses and hyperbole. Fact is he's proven nothing so far other than he can recruit. So did Al his first couple years, we'll see. Your making a big mistake throwing Welsh in that category, UVA was a relevant football program with Welsh at the helm.

[jcmanson]

It's Welsh. Spell the man who put UVA football on the map name right please.

[jbock13]

Mike London is a great coach. End of conversation.

And jinxy, indiana is nowhere near the bottom 5 teams in FBS. Here's whose's worse... UNLV, San Jose State, Washington State, Wyoming, Western Kentucky, UL-Lafayette, Akron, Kent State, Eastern Michigan, Minnesota, Kansas, Utah State, Ball State, Duke, Colorado State, Rice, UAB, Memphis, New Mexico, UTEP, New Mexico State...

Hopefully you get the picture. Probably somewhere between 80 and 90.

[thepostman]

Mike London is a great coach. End of conversation.

oh dear lord

[flamehunter]

Mike London is a great coach. End of conversation.

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Ask BJ, not enough statistics to make that bold statement yet. Time will tell as to whether he is a good coach in his own right or not. The recruiting gains he has made will only continue if the Cavs are successful on the field. And by success I mean progress year after year and contending for conference titles and big bowl wins. The top recruits will go elsewhere if they become a stagnant middle of the pack ACC team.

[BJWilliams]

Agreed...the mark of a coach is how he does once he has his own recruits. Mike London came in, won a NC with Clawson's recruits, then went to UVA and has had Al Groh's players the last couple years. Look at our situation here at Liberty. Danny Rocco came in but he was working with Karcher's players for a few years...last year was I think the first season where he was working with exclusively his own recruits.

Thats what I said...London is doing well but he is working with mostly Al Groh's recruits still. Its gonna be about three more years before we can really see if London is a great coach

[jbock13]

Agreed...the mark of a coach is how he does once he has his own recruits. Mike London came in, won a NC with Clawson's recruits, then went to UVA and has had Al Groh's players the last couple years. Look at our situation here at Liberty. Danny Rocco came in but he was working with Karcher's players for a few years...last year was I think the first season where he was working with exclusively his own recruits.

Thats what I said...London is doing well but he is working with mostly Al Groh's recruits still. Its gonna be about three more years before we can really see if London is a great coach

lol you quoted yourself.