[Sly Fox]

I think it is time for everyone to revisit the forum.rules. We need yo avoid personal shots at each other. Period.

As for realignment, there will likely be plenty more twists & turns before we move anywhere. I'm having a great time following it all.

[bigsmooth]

ok....first off we do not have mods monitoring this board 24-7 so i just looked at the reports and NAJ, we are doing our job. so chill out. i am not a fan of the word "retarded" but people on this board have said worse. Look, please keep it civil NAJ and sweat and move on. If sweat is racist, then oh well, its life, though i highly doubt he is. their are racists at LU believe it or not. NAJ, its a message board and people can say what they want as long as we keep it civil. Please drop all of this talk about race and calling people names and move forward. you guys shake hands and apologize. if you wan to argue, take it to PM and work it out.

[logic]

Humble opinion -




Wasn't just talking about recruiting for football, but the school as well. Florida and Texas are two of the most heavily populated states and also two of the most conservative...hence liberty.edu/Houston and liberty.edu/Miami.

There are millions of high school students around the country who have no idea what Liberty is or what we stand for. The sooner we can get out of the Big South and into a conference with national exposure the better, both for football and for our school. I simply do not see a regional small time FBS league offering the same exposure.

[BJWilliams]

ok....first off we do not have mods monitoring this board 24-7 so i just looked at the reports and NAJ, we are doing our job. so chill out. i am not a fan of the word "retarded" but people on this board have said worse. Look, please keep it civil NAJ and sweat and move on. If sweat is racist, then oh well, its life, though i highly doubt he is. their are racists at LU believe it or not. NAJ, its a message board and people can say what they want as long as we keep it civil. Please drop all of this talk about race and calling people names and move forward. you guys shake hands and apologize. if you wan to argue, take it to PM and work it out.

Or we could schedule them for a steel cage deathmatch and use the pay per view receipts to do some upgrading to the board so Scorcho and the boys wont stress about bandwidth issues again or something

[Schfourteenteen]

What would be the undercard, them or you vs. a whiteboard?

[BJWilliams]

THem...maybe have CJ and NAJ as the main event...itd be pretty boring if the whiteboard was the main event

[Purple Haize]

I think it is time for everyone to revisit the forum.rules. We need yo avoid personal shots at each other. Period.

As for realignment, there will likely be plenty more twists & turns before we move anywhere. I'm having a great time following it all.

You know what you can do with your forum rules !

[phoenix]

Not that I am speaking of being in need, for I have learned in whatever situation I am to be content.
(Php 4:11)

CUSA, Sun Belt, MAC, WAC, Big South, CAA -- wherever. We've got a better football team than we did not too long ago, and there's more excitement about the football program than there was when I was at Liberty in the late 80s.

Maybe we're not going anywhere because we need to learn to be content with what we have? To take what we've got and use it for God's glory and not Liberty's?

And, for the record, I'm hoping we go to the MAC, for purely selfish reasons. I'll be travelling to some away games if that happens!!

[PatrickKelly]

http://www.goasu.com/ViewArticle.dbml?D ... =205424767

Looks like Appy St was shot down by the Sun Belt yesterday. After reading the letter I'm 100% convinced that the sun belt will not be our new home. The issues that are listed are the same that Liberty will have to overcome. I'm also more convinced than ever that our best chance is to create a eastern conference with all those that are seeking to step up. With Appy St. getting shunned that could help to get get this ball rolling. Regional rivalries are mentioned a couple times by the president.

We know liberty is not short on attornies so I say we file suit against the all knowing NCAA and challenge them.

[logic]

This is a fantastic map, I would love to see what this looks like for Liberty...both for current online + residential enrollment AND alumni. Would let people know just how big we are and where our real "footprint" is.


http://www.goasu.com/pics32/0/DQ/DQLXNN ... M_ID=21500

[PatrickKelly]

Logic, I thought the same thing about showing how larger Liberty's foot print really is. I don't think this helps ASU at all and shows they are a regional school with most alumni in the western NC area only.

[Rooster Cogburn]

I think I've seen a student/alumni map, but I can't find it.
Students: The student body represents all 50 states (and Washington, D.C.) and over 70 countries

[logic]

Yes....70,000 online students has to look pretty good spread throughout the country and the world. If anyone higher ups at Liberty are reading this...why not have a section on our website that has an up to date map of alumni and current students? Wouldn't be hard to tap into the IT network and keep it updated in "real time."

Color coded like the ASU map...dark represents a lot, white a little. Would be fun to see


Here we go - this is beautiful


http://www.brockport.edu/alumni/map/webmap.gif




Would want to make it bigger and able to zoom. Shades of red or blue a better color. IT or OPP...can this be done?
Lets do it!

[BJWilliams]

Needy arent we logic? Im sure if you sent a nice, calm well written email to somebody like HMO it could be considered.

[R i]

After reading the letter I'm 100% convinced that the sun belt will not be our new home. .

[bigsmooth]

Kudos for your enthusiasm logic. Dont let people like BEE-JAY ruin your fire with his ever ending need to respond to every post someone makes! Ugh

[LUnpretty11]

Hate to burst this bubble for some of you, but no one cares how many online students we have. Right now, it's great for our balance sheet, but that's about it. No one is fooled into thinking they have anything close to a connection to the school the way campus students and alumni do....

+1

The majority of online students want their degree and Liberty provides it, but that's as far as it goes. Athletics aren't exactly on the forefront of their minds.

[jimflamesfan]

It might not be on the forefront, but many would probably watch a LU game on TV if they see it. I went to a branch campus of the Univirsity of Pittsburgh and I still watch Pitt if I see them on TV. Also, I obtained my M. Div. from Trinity through the online program, yet I had one modular on campus and bought a shirt and some pens/etc. in the bookstore.

If you compare similar schools moving up, we'd have one of the largest potential TV audiences of the schools available.

[Purple Haize]

A pen and a T-Shirt do not a demographic make. LUOnline is the icing, not the cake. And I still have a sweatshirt from TEDS.

[JK37]

If a significant percentage of LUO students were interested in supporting LU athletics we would already be noticing that.

I wonder how hard LU has tried to bring LUO students into the fold? As a 3-year LUO student (07-10), I never received one email or letter from the Flames Club, let alone any other entity within the Athletics Department. Even if only 2-5% could be reaped, that's a LOT more than if zero effort or invitation is made.

[TH Spangler]

http://vuhoops.com/2012/05/03/caa-footb ... bs-league/

[LUaddict]

http://vuhoops.com/2012/05/03/caa-footb ... bs-league/

I have been hearing about creating an East Coast FBS league but is this even possible and does anyone know what other obstacles that this league could encounter such as autobids and bowl tie ins? I have heard on the Georgia Southern forum that a group of ADs and presidents have been meeting and seriously discussing this possibility. As this league seems like a pipe dream, it seems that this might be one of our only options to being FBS. As the letter that the AD at App State basically is that they were denied FBS conference membership and market are obviously driving realignment.

[LUaddict]

Here is a quote from New Mexico State President Barbara Couture in the Las Cruces Sun News about the possibility future membership offers to FCS schools wanting to upgrade to the FCS in the WAC.

NMSU president weighs options for athletics, conferences
http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_20576856/n ... ost_viewed

Did we know that the landscape was changing? Yes we did. Had we been thinking about multiple ways to address that? Yes we have. Among them are adding additional FBS schools, even potentially adding invitations to FCS schools that may want FBS membership, which over the next 10 years may be limited for FCS schools given the new conference alignments. And looking even, to the potential of the WAC being an all-olympic sports team (league) with the remaining football members having alliance memberships perhaps in other conferences. So we've been looking at all these factors over the last couple of years.

[Humble_Opinion]

Hate to burst this bubble for some of you, but no one cares how many online students we have. Right now, it's great for our balance sheet, but that's about it. No one is fooled into thinking they have anything close to a connection to the school the way campus students and alumni do. Plus, once the student loan bubble bursts the federal government is going to crack down on online education anyway.

I think you are misinterpreting the evidence here... sure they don't have as great a physical connection - that I won't argue. But that doesn't mean they don't care about the school, nor have an interest in what goes on around here. Many of these 'online' students come here precisely because we have an established residential program. Just look at the number of 'online' students that show up this Saturday. These people come from all over the United States just to visit the school and attend graduation. You can't tell me they don't care...

When the student loan bubble bursts, the federal government isn't going to just crack down on Online education. They're going to look at matriculation and graduation rates, plus loan default rates.

The fact is, a large part of the academic world looks down on online learning, and our large online footprint will do little to nothing to help us with moving into a new conference.

Really? While this may have been true 10 years ago, the fact is that now more and more colleges are recognizing the benefits of online education and are taking steps to implement it in some way, shape, or form. What colleges are most interested in is proving to the state legislatures that they are taking measures to save on rising costs... Even the Ivy Leagues are jumping into the fray and offering courses online.

[flamesfilmguy]

There is one big difference between Appy and LU and its not the online population. its the Airport. Teams can fly directly into Lynchburg. and as the App prez stated that was a big drawback for them.