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By bradyfan
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Purple Haize wrote:
jcmanson wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:I like us for the CAA. But I know I'm a lone voice in the wilderness and have no vision!
Us in the CAA, with VCU, GMU, JMU, ODU, W&M all leaving? Why don't we just apply for the Patriot League?
I wasn't aware they were all leaving. If VCU and GMU leave that's not an issue. If JMU ODU and W/ M stay its still a good fit. Just because you WANT to leave doesn't mean you can
Don't forget that TCU accepted an invite to the Big East before being invited to the Big 12.
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By jbock13
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Sly, I promise we do read your stories and I thank you very much for the time to invest to explain it to everyone. I guess most of us are just ready to see it happen, hopefully sooner than later, if it's meant to be.
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By Sly Fox
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Woah! Some potentially blockbuster developments today in the whole realignment process. First, check out this Brett McMurphy story ...
CBS Sports wrote:Monday March 26, 2012 - 12:52 PM
Merging or sharing? Either way, C-USA and MWC working together

By Brett McMurphy | CBSSports.com College Football Insider


Dissolving is out. Merging is in.

At least, that's the latest development for the potential new league to be formed from the existing teams from Conference USA and the Mountain West.

In February, the two leagues announced they would dissolve and then reform as one league. The main reason for dissolving was to nullify their current television deals and then creating a new conference to maximize their media rights revenue. However, if the leagues dissolved, then they would lose their NCAA tournament units -- teams earn about $250,000 for their conference for each round they advance in the NCAA tournament and that money is distributed to the conferences after a rolling six-year period. Dissolving the leagues would forfeit C-USA and the Mountain West millions of dollars.

So now C-USA and the Mountain West are no longer considering dissolving, but instead college football industry sources told CBSSports.com that the leagues are deciding between two options: merge into one league or remain as separate leagues, but share television, marketing and scheduling resources.

"Both are still viable," a source said. "There's really no clubhouse leader."
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In essence, the talk of closing down both the MWC & CUSA leagues and forming a new one is dead. So they are back to getting creative with an alliance. And frankly this makes things much more attractive for all involved. Gone are the horrible travel commitments across 6 time zones for non-revenue sports. In its place is a completely different set of objectives.

Here is the guy in San Jose who had the crazy WAC-Sun Belt alliance rumors last week. This morning he scooped everyone with these developments and a pretty good explanation of why the new conference concept died.
San Jose Mercury News wrote:According to sources:

* The NCAA told the MWC and C-USA that it would award the merged league only one AQ berth to postseason events. So instead of two 8-10 team leagues and two AQs, there would be one 16+ team league with only one AQ.

(Think that went over well with MWC/C-USA officials?)

* In addition … and I don’t claim to understand the legal nuances involved … the exit fees owed to the conferences by departing members would be deemed null and void if that conference merged with another.

* It also turns out that, because one conference would have legally dissolve itself in order to join the other — or they’d both have to dissolve to form a newly-named league — the NCAA Tournament revenue would be returned to the schools that earned it.

Memphis, for example, would keep its money from March Madness, instead of that cash going to C-USA.

(This stands in contrast to what I reported last week, which you should now forget you ever read.)

* All of which is another way of saying that the months and months and months of merger work done by the MWC, C-USA and their consultants (including Dean Jordan, a heavy hitter from Wasserman) was, it appears, for naught.

And don’t think for a second that the leagues are happy about it.

And he breaks it down to the impact on lower level leagues ...
In terms of expansion targets, San Jose State and Utah State are atop the MWC’s list — commissioner Craig Thompson toured both campuses last week.

If both are invited, WAC football is immediately placed on life support.

Unlike the Sun Belt, which would have options if raided by C-USA (including current WAC member LaTech), the WAC would be tapped out. There simply aren’t any expansion candidates left for the conference, short of Big Sky members making the costly move to FBS.

(If I’m Idaho, New Mexico State and Texas State, I’m worried about the future. Very, very worried.)

What we don’t know, and what will be decided in the next 2-3 weeks, is:

1) Whether the MWC and C-USA will, in fact, expand.

2) How many schools would be added.

I continue to believe that there’s a good chance both leagues will grow to at least 10 members, and that SJSU and USU are likely headed to the MWC.

But as noted last week, the ultimate outcome depends on which configuration is projected to draw the most lucrative deal from future broadcast partner(s).

Stay tuned.
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My first reaction is that folks in Huntington & Greenville, NC are probably smiling. My second thought is the WAC is dead without a crazy turn of events. And I doubt acting commissioner Karl Benson is working the phones very hard this week before he leaves the WAC to go to the Sun Belt next week. So who knows what they are thinking at WAC HQ ... or if they are simply resolved to the fact that they are done.

I'm going to soak on these developments before starting up my crazy projections once again.
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By Sly Fox
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The statements from Yeager as well both ADs doesn't rule out the possibility of a move. All it says is that nothing has happened yet. There's too much smoke coming from this situation for there to not be some fire. Perhaps the folks in Fairfax & Richmond are letting the story ripple to gauge reaction before any formal overtures are made. I have a hard time believing that schools are not chatting amongst themselves off the record.
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By flamesfilmguy
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New info on the CAA front. It is a general consensus with most familiar with Yeager and the CAA that GMU and VCU are gone. its only a matter of time. The leak wasn't supposed to happen and it has become a panic attack for yeager because he's trying to give other schools in the CAA some sense of security when by years end there really wont be. With GMU, VCU and GSU all leaving(Hearing that a Sun Belt invitation announcement for GSU will be within the next 10- 15 days.) its only a matter of time before JMU and ODU abandon ship as well. The next month is going to be very interesting.
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By SumItUp
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R i wrote:With a New Commsih coming in, It would seem that all verbal agreements would be off.
unless he is the one making the verbal agreements
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By R i
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BuryYourDuke wrote:
SumItUp wrote:
R i wrote:With a New Commsih coming in, It would seem that all verbal agreements would be off.
unless he is the one making the verbal agreements
Right, or somebody empowered by him.
Both seem unlikely. I feel these statements should come with a disclosure like the lottery. "Chances of winning are .. "
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By Sly Fox
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As if another piece of evidence were needed to condemn the WAC to oblivion ...
Twin Falls (ID) Times-News wrote:COLUMN: Tough Call Awaits U of I Athletics’ Future

By Patrick Sheltra--psheltra@magicvalley.com | Posted: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 11:00 pm


The toughest, gutsiest call made by Idaho football in recent memory came when head coach Robb Akey decided to go for two points with four seconds left against Bowling Green in the 2009 Humanitarian Bowl.

Compared with the decisions the Vandal athletic department could be forced to make in the coming weeks, Akey’s decision — which, in case you’ve forgotten, worked and left the Vandals with a 43-42 victory — seems as routine as the game’s opening kickoff.

The decision this corner is calling for the University of Idaho to make?

Go back to the Big Sky Conference.

In all sports.

Say goodbye once and for all the idea that Idaho football can ever be anything more than a bit player in major collegiate football. And by major I’m talking about the Football Bowl Subdivision, or Division 1-A as it was known as when the Vandals left the Big Sky for the Big Time in 2000.
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I have yet to see any scenario that even vaguely mentions Idaho other than as a butt of a joke. Once they choose to slide back down to FCS to re-join the Big Sky Conference, these will be the remaining WAC football schools:
  • Louisiana Tech
    New Mexico State
    San Jose State
    Texas State
    Utah State
    UTSA
Louisiana Tech is essentially gone to either C-USA or Sun Belt barring a surprising turn of events. Utah State is as close to a lock as you'll find for MWC expansion with San Jose State & UTSA just behind. The Texas schools are under strong consideration from both CUSA & Sun Belt perspectives. Only New Mexico State looks like they are on the outside awaiting their inevitable fate of being left all alone. If UTEP slides over to MWC as expected, it is presumed that a term of acceptance of the move would be that nearby NMSU isn't invited to the party. If UTEP agrees to stay in C-USA, then there remains a chance that NMSU could be invited to MWC as a fallback plan. The Sun Belt & C-USA have zero interest in the Aggies who really have no business being in FBS in the first place. Along with Idaho, Eastern Michigan & Louisiana-Monroe they would be much better served living in an FCS world. Idaho appears to be coming to that realization ... the other three, not so much.
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By Sly Fox
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Oh yeah, here's the latest from Jon Wilner out in San Jose who broke the news about the MWCUSA stuff on Monday that we posted on the bottom of the Page 29 ...
San Jose (CA) Mercury News wrote:Jon Wilner: Conference shake-ups put San Jose State football back on bubble

By Jon Wilner Mercury News
Posted: 03/27/2012 11:06:33 AM PDT
Updated: 03/27/2012 11:40:02 AM PDT


The Mountain West Conference is expected to announce in the next few weeks whether it will expand and, quite possibly, name names.

The future of San Jose State's football program hangs in the balance.

The Spartans have been pursuing membership in the Mountain West for months, with good reason.

Even in its current state of flux, the MWC is far healthier than SJSU's longtime home, the Western Athletic Conference, which was decimated by the realignment wave that struck college football in 2010-11.

There is a scenario -- a highly-plausible scenario -- in which WAC football will cease to exist in a few years.
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By Sly Fox
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OK, after a few days to internalize this past week's developments I believe this is what we are looking at from the MWCUSA Alliance/Merger ...

The Conference USA & Mountain West come to an agreement whereby they have 24 schools between the two of them divided into four 6-school divisions under the banners of the two existing conference names That could involve one division under the MWC and three under C-USA or it could be split two-two. That way they could form a new football-only (or possibly even football & mens hoops only) league under ether a completely new name or one of the existing monikers. That way the schools could pool their strength for television contracts where it matters most. But the rest of the sports could stay in somewhat regionalized leagues ... for a period of time. There have been a number of nuggets dropped by school presidents the past few days that indicate that by going to four 6-school divisions, they could potentially make each of those divisions eligible for their own conference status down the road. In other words, you could make all the non-revenue sports into small regional conferences while keeping football together where the maximum collective bargaining could occur with TV networks. Confused yet? Essentially the 24 schools would create a pool from which four conferences would emerge for every sport outside of football. That would allow more auto bids and lower travel costs while still enjoying the benefit of the national television contracts and scheduling options. This idea was floated by me a few months ago somewhere in this thread but I honestly didn't see it as a realistic option at that point. The more I read between the lines of the public statements of university presidents & ADs, the more plausible it becomes. And it would placate schools like ECU & Fresno State who have major misgivings with a combined league for all sports.

Here's a potential lineup with scant thought given to membership:

C-USA East
  • ECU
    FCS Move-up
    Florida International
    Marshall
    Southern Miss
    UAB
C-USA Southwest
  • Louisiana Tech
    Rice
    North Texas
    Texas State
    Tulane
    UTSA
Mountain West Mountain Division
  • Air Force
    Colorado State
    New Mexico
    Tulsa
    UTEP
    Wyoming
Mountain West Pacific Division
  • Nevada
    Fresno State
    Hawaii
    San Jose State
    UNLV
    Utah State
A few schools would have to slide around including Tulsa & UTEP. But based on this alignment, I think they'd probably both be good with the possibility. If the group decided that Utah State & San Jose State didn't bring enough to the table, the MWC could actually shed New Mexico to C-USA and just have Hawaii as a 7th football (25th overall!) school. Then C-USA would be left to deal with the other three divisions enabling them to add a couple more eastern options (increasing our possibilities in the process).

Under such a scenario, here is what would be left of the Sun Belt for football:
  • Arkansas State
    Florida Atlantic
    Louisiana-Lafayette
    Louisiana-Monroe
    Middle Tennessee State
    South Alabama
    Troy
    Western Kentucky
Theoretically they could choose to stand pat and hope for a disenchanted C-USA school to come there way down the line. Realistically they would prefer to get to 12 schools for divisional play. Here would be their likely leading expansion candidates since La Tech and the Texas schools would be off the table:
  • Appalachian State
    Charlotte
    Georgia State
    Georgia Southern
    Jacksonville State
    Liberty
We would be a top 4 pick in that group regardless of variables. That is why the Sun belt finds us intriguing and vice versa especially if we didn't make the 24-team cut.

Then of course, you would have the leftover schools of the WAC left out in the cold for football. While they would be fine for non-football purposes in the short term as their are plenty of non-football options to keep them afloat, they would need football partners in a hurry or have to go independent which would likely lead to dropping their football programs. Unless of course they choose to continue to sponsor a WAC football league by inviting up some eastern FCS schools looking to move up together. In order for that to occur, it would need to be all-sport and there would have to be at least six WAC schools together out west to form a division and six eastern schools to form another division to keep costs down. This would buy the WAC football schools a few years to either sneak into the MWC or CUSA or drop down to FCS. It would also be a vehicle whereby the eastern schools could transition up before breaking off to form their own regional FBS league.

And finally, the buzz coming from around the eats Coast of a new league forming either with CAA sponsorship or otherwise also seems to be gaining validity. Once the C-USA folks work out whatever they are doing and Sun Belt starts handing out invitations, these last two options become much clearer.
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By Sly Fox
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It appears Karl Benson has finally come out of seclusion. A UTSA site posted the following today:
Inside Runner Sports wrote:As the Sunbelt turns, Karl Benson speaks!
IRS was able to speak with Commissioner Karl Benson and discuss the state of the Sunbelt...


While conference realignment appears to have settled just a bit for the power six, the trickle down effect to the non-automatic qualifiers hasn't hit full force yet, but this month alone, there have been more rumblings with programs who might be on the move and one of them is UTSA.

Cbssports.com reported earlier this month that UNC-Charlotte and UTSA had been in discussions with the Sunbelt. A source went on to say that informal invitations had been extended. IRS was able to ask newly appointed Sunbelt Commissioner Karl Benson on the status of any invitations, "There have been no invitations extended," said Benson.

The Sunbelt currently sits at 12 total members, which will be changing effective July 1, when Denver University exits the Belt and joins the WAC. The Sunbelt will still remain with 10 football programs as the Pioneers do not field a football team.

As the WAC Commissioner, Benson was responsible for the additions of UTSA, Texas State, Denver, Seattle and UTA all within the last year. Which leads to even more rampant speculation on whether some of these programs will follow Benson, "The State of Texas and Florida are very important for the future of the Sunbelt. Whether it's retaining existing members that currently reside in those states or adding new schools from either or both states. That is still a priority," said Benson.
And later in the story ...
As for UTSA and any other school that could be eyeing the Sunbelt, Benson did give an idea of when things could possibly unfold, "June first is a realistic date to have the plan executed."

One final tidbit that Benson added was to address more speculation about the Sunbelt and his former conference the WAC, possibly joining forces, "There have been no discussions on a Sunbelt/WAC merger."
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Combined with the rampant speculation on Georgia State likely having an informal invitation already sewed up, this is very revelatory in regard to what Benson is thinking these days.
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By LUGrad2000
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I was fortunate enough to have a conversation with Mark Richt yesterday for about an hour. At the end of our discussion, I thought I would ask him if he had heard anything lately about conference moves, especially the Sun Belt and Liberty. Nothing. Then, I asked him for a job. Nothing.
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By LUGrad2000
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Benson and Levick have talked about GSU to Sun Belt

6:57 pm March 29, 2012, by Doug Roberson


Karl Benson said he has had several informal conversations with Georgia State athletic director Cheryl Levick about the Panthers possibly joining the Sun Belt Conference.

Benson, commissioner of the conference, said no invitation has been issued, and he will likely visit Georgia State on a fact-finding mission. Levick confirmed that they have talked informally and said she told Colonial Athletic Association commissioner Tom Yeager about the discussions. She declined to comment any further. CBSSports.com reported on Wednesday that Georgia State is one of the leading candidates to join the conference, citing “college football industry source.”

“It’s exploratory on both sides,” Benson said. “We are in the process of exploring institutions that are in the Sun Belt footprint that can improve the overall strength and quality of the conference.”

Benson said he isn’t in a hurry to add new members, though he does recognize that the NCAA has placed a June 1 deadline on applications for schools that wish to move from the FCS (formerly Div. I-AA) to FBS. Georgia State is currently a member of the CAA in all sports, including football, which it plays on the FCS level.

He said the conversations between he and Levick have focused on topics such as Georgia State’s possible aspirations to one day play football on the FBS level, the timeline for achieving that goal, and how it meshes with the Sun Belt’s desire to add members.

Benson said the purpose of a fact-finding mission is to gauge a school’s dedication to athletics and academics. He said potential is more important than tradition. Georgia State has been playing football for just two seasons. It has been a CAA member in other sports since 2005.

“You are looking for schools that have great potential and great upside,” he said. “From what I have gathered thus far, there is strong institutional commitment and then there are the natural assets that they have in terms of location and the overall university characteristics in addition to the athletic characteristics.”

If Georgia State were invited to join the Sun Belt, it must pay an exit fee of at least $250,000 to leave the CAA, and will likely have to forfeit any revenue-sharing agreements with the conference, which could mean as much as hundreds of thousands of dollars. It may also have to forfeit the chance to participate in any of the conference’s tournaments. There also will be an entry fee to the Sun Belt, which Benson said is in the process of being changed for any new members.

Georgia State’s athletic department has been exploring possibilities for the past few months. Levick commissioned a report last year that studied the ramifications of moving up to FBS.

The report concluded that “GSU is well-positioned to make a transition to FBS” and “that the Sun Belt would be the best fit.” A draft of the report, along with the contract between Georgia State and the authors, Atlanta-based Collegiate Consulting, was obtained by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution through an Open Records Request. The report cost $20,000.

Georgia State is well-positioned to move to the Sun Belt from a budgetary standpoint, according to the study. The athletic department’s projected $22.9 million in revenues in 2011-12 is 44 percent more than the average Sun Belt member, according to the report. However, the difference in those revenues can be traced to student fees: Georgia State receives more than $16.5 million compared with $5.6 million for an average Sun Belt school. Conversely, the average Sun Belt school received $1.5 million in game guarantees to GSU’s $440,500.

Benson and Levick have known each other for a long time, going back to when Levick was senior associate athletic director at Stanford (1988-2000) and Benson commissioner of the Western Athletic Conference. He said their discussions about the Sun Belt began after he went on the Barnhart and Durham show on 790AM last month and said that Georgia State wants to play football on the FBS level. He later said he didn’t have his facts straight about the Panthers. He called Levick to apologize, and that conversation drifted toward his plans for the Sun Belt and the future of FCS football.

The Sun Belt currently has 10 members, stretching from Florida to Texas. Benson said the existing members are a great foundation, but he would like to strengthen the conference’s geographic footprint and have enough schools to have divisional play in all sports. Traditionally, that has meant at least 12 members.

Before taking over the Sun Belt, Benson was commissioner of the WAC for 18 years. During that time, Boise State became a national power in football. He said he wants to eventually develop the Sun Belt’s version of the Broncos.

“The only reason that you add members, and the only reason that you get bigger, is to get better,” he said. “Regardless of whether that’s 12 or 14 or whatever the number might be, this is about quality, rather than quantity.”

– Doug Roberson, AJC. Please follow me on twitter @ajcgsu.
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By Sly Fox
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That's the first time I have seen Benson mention the possibility of going beyond 12 members. That is very encouraging from our perspective.
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By LUGrad2000
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Sly Fox wrote:That's the first time I have seen Benson mention the possibility of going beyond 12 members. That is very encouraging from our perspective.
I wonder if they (Sun Belt) go to 14 and FIU and North Texas decided to stay if that gets us in. Two 7 team divisions would cut down on travel for the Olympic sports.
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By Sly Fox
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Today was the last day that Benson had to pretend like he cared about the WAC and he's already moving & shaking in the Sun Belt.

We really could use the MWCUSA folks to get things moving.
By bradyfan
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I think if App St. and ODU could get some interest from the Sun-Belt that could be pay dividends for us. Now that Georgia State is all but a sure thing, the conference is geographically getting closer to our area. That seems to be a priority for Benson.
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By LUGrad2000
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Sly Fox wrote:Today was the last day that Benson had to pretend like he cared about the WAC and he's already moving & shaking in the Sun Belt.

We really could use the MWCUSA folks to get things moving.
I think I remember that the deadline for FCS schools to apply to move up is June 1st. Two months hopefully is enough time for the ALLIANCE to figure things out.
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