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By Sly Fox
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The study is set to be released in a few weeks. Everything is predicated by moves made by the CUSA-MWC merger/alliance. Until they move, nothing else happens.

In a nutshell, the Sun Belt appears to be our most likely FBS scenario. That seems to be growing momentum for a new East Coast FBS conference to be formed. That would undoubtedly have us right in the mix with schools like Appy, Charlotte, JMU & ODU as well as a few others.
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By jbock13
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Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but will the FBS study be released for the public or is it typically just kept within the athletic department?
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By Sly Fox
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Typically a summary is released to the public. State institutions release the whole deal but private institutions can release things at their own discretion.
By thepostman
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I think in other cases its been first release and discussed internally and then released to the general public when a plan in put into place based on that study.

But I am not 100% sure about that

and of course Sly beats me to the punch, haha
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By jbock13
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thank you very much guys.
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By LUGrad2000
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What would have to happen for an East Coast FBS league to happen?

App. St.
Liberty
JMU
ODU
Charlotte
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Marshall? If they become anti-alliance
East Carolina? If they become anti-alliance
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By Purple Haize
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LUGrad2000 wrote:What would have to happen for an East Coast FBS league to happen?

App. St.
Liberty
JMU
ODU
Charlotte
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Marshall? If they become anti-alliance
East Carolina? If they become anti-alliance
I don't know if Marshall would be ready to take a step up in football!
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By LUminary
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I think it's more and more likely, too. Maybe with another Colonial team or two in the mix. But I don't think ECU and Marshall would be part of it.
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By Cider Jim
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Purple Haize wrote:I don't know if Marshall would be ready to take a step up in football!
What are you talking about? :dontgetit Marshall is already I-A in the C-USA.
Last edited by Cider Jim on March 25th, 2012, 10:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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By Purple Haize
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Cider Jim wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:I don't know if Marshall would be ready to take a step up in football!
What are you talking about? :dontgetit Marshall is already I-A in the MAC.
Exactly! :evil:
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By jbock13
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Purple Haize wrote:
Cider Jim wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:I don't know if Marshall would be ready to take a step up in football!
What are you talking about? :dontgetit Marshall is already I-A in the MAC.
Exactly! :evil:
:lol: Haize, good point!

CJ surely you meant C-USA, correct?
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By Purple Haize
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I mean is the Thundering Turd Ready for varsity football?
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By Cider Jim
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Yes, Marshall has been in both, but more recently in the C-USA.
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By Purple Haize
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Cider Jim wrote:Yes, Marshall has been in both, but more recently in the C-USA.

I've heard that bout Marshall.....they go both ways....
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By Sly Fox
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As we have speculated in this thread for a couple of weeks, the web has been abuzz the past 24 hours about the fact that Butler, VCU & Mason have all supposedly been invited to the A-10. The schools appear to be making up their minds right now.
Sporting News wrote:Butler, VCU, George Mason mulling move to Atlantic 10

Staff report
Sporting News


Three of the nation's best mid-major basketball programs—Butler, VCU and George Mason—are on the verge of joining the Atlantic 10 Conference, according to CBS Sports.

The moves, if approved by each school's boards, would take place before the 2013-14 season. The A-10, which is losing Temple to the Big East and could be losing Charlotte to the Sun Belt, also is looking into the possibility of adding Creighton.
Click Here for Full Story

Of course, it is not a foregone conclusion that all will make the jump. While Butler appears to be anxious to leap from the Horizon, the decision is a bit tougher for VCU & GMU.
Richmond Times-Dispatch wrote:Woody: CAA perfect fit for VCU, GMU

By: PAUL WOODY | Times-Dispatch
Published: March 25, 2012


Just as the Bible says "You will hear wars and rumors of wars" (Matthew 24:6), in college athletics, you will hear about change and rumors of change.

The rumor burning through Virginia and the Midwest is that Virginia Commonwealth University and George Mason University will leave the Colonial Athletic Association, and Butler University will leave the Horizon League for the Atlantic 10 Conference.

Temple is leaving the A-10 for the Big East after the 2013 season, which is the reason for this rampant speculation on conference change.

If VCU and George Mason left the CAA for the A-10, it would stink.
Click Here for Full Story

While I am not sure I get the Scriptural reference to End Times, the columnist does illustrate that this is not a slam dunk decision. But it hasn't stoked the fires for schools viewing this as a potential opportunity to slide into the CAA should the two schools bolt. Our own RVAparks has been speculating on Twitter about this being a golden opportunity for CCU to shift from the Big South to the CAA. Conway has been taking notice ...

CoastalFans thread on CAA Possibilities

Frankly I don't see the CAA jumping to add anyone if a couple of hoops schools bolt. Here's the hoops lineup remaining if VCU & Mason depart:
  • Delaware
    Drexel
    Georgia State
    Hofstra
    JMU
    Northeastern
    ODU
    Towson
    UNC-Wilmington
    William & Mary
That is a nice round 10-team league. Sure, a couple more schools would allow for north & south divisional play to continue. But it is for from a necessity. Now let's look at where things stand in regard to football (* for affiliates):
  • Delaware
    Georgia State
    JMU
    Maine*
    New Hampshire*
    ODU
    Richmond*
    Rhode Island*
    Towson
    Villanova*
    William & Mary
For the 2012 season, there will be 11 teams. Rhode Island heads to the NEC starting in 2013 dropping the roster back to 12 moving forward. In other words, barring any further departures the league really has no need to expand and especially not for a football school. That's why the CAA was so unwilling to allow Charlotte to join as football affiliate.

But clearly the CAA has to be looking for self-preservation should an exodus of full members occur in the not too distant future. In fact, it could be easily suggested that the CAA could potentially be out of the football game within a few months unless they are the sponsor of a new FBS league. Let's check the lineup of CAA full members who play football once again:
  • Delaware: Always among the FCS leaders in attendance, they have been speculated as possible FBS candidates should a new East Coast league be formed or should the CAA start up their own FBS league.

    Georgia State: Virtually a lock to move to either the MWCUSA Merger/Alliance or the Sun Belt by the end of the summer. This is by far the most likely opening being created that could result in another football school being invited.

    JMU: Openly considering a move to FBS. Supposedly one of the ring leaders in organizing a new East Coast FBS league. While they are unlikely to be offered by any FBS leagues this summer, they didn't expand that stadium for games vs. Towson & Maine.

    ODU: See JMU.

    Towson: Arguably the school hoping & praying that the CAA stays intact. They are nowhere near any position to move up to FBS.

    William & Mary: While they have no known interest in FBS, they might be willing to give the Patriot League a second look now that they are allowing scholarships. Academically they fit better with the Patriot League than they do the CAA.
Bottom line: If the CAA begins looking for football-playing new members then it likely means the CAA as we know it has blown up.

Now here is an additional thought ... should the CAA go looking for football members, who do you think would make the most attractive options?
  • Albany
    Charlotte
    Coastal Carolina
    Fordham
    Stony Brook
I would suggest that tapping into the northern markets might be more appealing for the brass in Richmond.
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By Purple Haize
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I like us for the CAA. But I know I'm a lone voice in the wilderness and have no vision!
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By jcmanson
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Sly Fox wrote:Our own RVAparks
Umm, no not "our own."
Sly Fox wrote:Frankly I don't see the CAA jumping to add anyone if a couple of hoops schools bolt.
You don't realize how integral VCU & Mason leaving are. It's the equivalent of UNC & Duke leaving the ACC. The entire foundation of CAA basketball would change. I can guarantee you every single AD, President, Board in the CAA is discussing this very thing this morning and probably have been for quite some time now.

With VCU & Mason gone, JMU and ODU openly looking for a new home, there is nothing holding W&M there.
Once they're gone, Richmond football needs a new home.
Once this happens, the CAA is an entirely different league.
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By jcmanson
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Purple Haize wrote:I like us for the CAA. But I know I'm a lone voice in the wilderness and have no vision!
Us in the CAA, with VCU, GMU, JMU, ODU, W&M all leaving? Why don't we just apply for the Patriot League?
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By Sly Fox
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You forgot Georgia State. I know, they are so far removed from the rest of the league they are easy to miss.

I understand the impact of losing those two hoops powers but the math still doesn't add up to adding more schools unless they are blockbuster moves. Frankly there aren't those types of schools available with the big boys gobbling up every decent option.

The CAA presidents have very good reasons for hand-wringing. But adding two more schools before they see what type of exodus occurs the next few months would be dangerous. In fact, if the CAA offered the Chants a spot today they would have to be very cautious in accepting such an offer considering the gamble it would be based on potential moves in the coming months.

PS - Thanks for responding, guys. I always wonder if anyone ever reads my long diatribes on this subject.
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By jcmanson
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Sly Fox wrote:You forgot Georgia State.
I didn't miss them. Them jumping to FBS is irrelevant in the big picture for the CAA.
Sly Fox wrote:I understand the impact of losing those two hoops powers but the math still doesn't add up to adding more schools unless they are blockbuster moves. Frankly there aren't those types of schools available with the big boys gobbling up every decent option.
What you are implying would lead to what happened in the Big East. The CAA must act quickly and should already have contingencies in place for this event. If they don't, they will be come "just another" FCS league.
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By R i
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bigsmooth wrote: Nothing worse than a smart a..
ATrain wrote:

I disagree, a dumb a.. is definitely worse.

Whats even worse. Being reduced to using "A" dot dot .

BYD, didnt you have some pretty strong sources saying we already had an offer from the Sun Belt? That we are just waiting to see what happens with the CUSA merger? If so thats ideal.
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By Purple Haize
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jcmanson wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:I like us for the CAA. But I know I'm a lone voice in the wilderness and have no vision!
Us in the CAA, with VCU, GMU, JMU, ODU, W&M all leaving? Why don't we just apply for the Patriot League?
I wasn't aware they were all leaving. If VCU and GMU leave that's not an issue. If JMU ODU and W/ M stay its still a good fit. Just because you WANT to leave doesn't mean you can
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By Sly Fox
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It is my contention that they likely may not be an FCS league soon.

With the WAC looking closer to death everyday, the NCAA will have excuse to allow an exemption for an East Coast FBS league. While we have frequently speculated about a completely new league being formed, it is my hunch that the CAA brass are more likely to try and leverage this opportunity to switch their football sponsorship from FCS to FBS. The current CAA affiliates would then band together with newly minted affiliates Towson and William & Mary (who would probably remain CAA members for all other sports) into a new FCS league possibly sponsored by Hockey East or somebody already listed as a Division I conference by NCAA. That would leave the following FBS schools:
  • Delaware
    Georgia State (if they haven't already bolted)
    JMU
    ODU
You could then invite two new football members to reach the 6-team minimum which would also push the league back up to 12 hoops schools for divisional play. Or they could add 4 football schools to go to 8 FB/14 BB or even 6 football schools to go 10 FB/16 BB. Now let's look at likely candidates to fill in those gaps:
  • Appalachian State
    Charlotte
    Liberty
    Marshall
    Georgia Southern
    Youngstown State
If you want to think way outside the box, ECU might be interested in a non-football membership to keep their travel costs down. And FAU recently jilted by the Alliance/Merger might be more interested in aligning with East Coast schools as opposed to Sun Belt brethren should their travel partner FIU bolt the league.
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By Sly Fox
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R i wrote:BYD, didnt you have some pretty strong sources saying we already had an offer from the Sun Belt? That we are just waiting to see what happens with the CUSA merger? If so thats ideal.
Not to speak for BYD, but the Sun Belt has not made any formal offers yet. In fact, they won't even have a working commissioner to push forward until next week. All that said, we are firmly in the zone of strong consideration for the Sun Belt folks and others as well.
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