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By Sly Fox
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I'm not sure what P5 mediocrity means but having teams vying for the national title basically every year is far from the trash heap.

I agree completely that the league dropped the ball when it slowly trudged along instead of seizing Clemson & Florida State when they could before the ACC passed the GOR. But that is water under the bridge at this point. The only P5 schools that have no restrictions of exit challenges sit in the conference that feels it is invincible right now.

I honestly believe there will be no Big XII expansion announcements in the next 12 months or maybe even 2-3 years. I also believe that UT is no longer staunchly against expansion. They just want a legitimate candidate that brings value to the table. Memphis, Cincy & UCF do not fit that bill.
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By Purple Haize
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WVU doesn't fit a Big XII profile. Put us all out our misery and work a trade with the ACC!!!
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By VAGolf
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Sly Fox wrote:I'm not sure what P5 mediocrity means but having teams vying for the national title basically every year is far from the trash heap.

I agree completely that the league dropped the ball when it slowly trudged along instead of seizing Clemson & Florida State when they could before the ACC passed the GOR. But that is water under the bridge at this point. The only P5 schools that have no restrictions of exit challenges sit in the conference that feels it is invincible right now.

I honestly believe there will be no Big XII expansion announcements in the next 12 months or maybe even 2-3 years. I also believe that UT is no longer staunchly against expansion. They just want a legitimate candidate that brings value to the table. Memphis, Cincy & UCF do not fit that bill.
Last year, you had a team in the playoffs because Oklahoma made an unbelievable run (one that I predicted by the way) and then every piece fell perfectly. You've had 1 team reach the championship game in the past 10 years. That's the fewest of any P5 conference. You have the worst TV ratings of any P5 conference. Your biggest program is really, really down. If you don't understand that the Big12 is the worst P5 conference, currently, you're just operating out of complete bias.

UT can say that they aren't against expansion because there isn't a "legitimate candidate" but here's the problem: when will there be a "legitimate candidate"? FSU and Clemson aren't leaving the ACC. No one is leaving the Big10. No one is leaving the ACC. No one is leaving the Pac12. So, Memphis, Cincy, & UCF/USF are your options. If you aren't willing to invite any of those programs, then you aren't for expansion, despite what you may say verbally. You now know that the committee is looking down on your for not having a conference champion. You now know that it literally could inhibit your ability to make the playoffs. If you sit around and wait for the perfect program or for the playoff field to expand, you're going to fall into even more mediocrity.

There's very little harm in inviting Cincy and Memphis. You get two nice markets, that are currently owned by competing P5 conferences. And if an FSU did become available in say 4-5 years? Just kick Memphis and/or Cincy out if they aren't performing well. Take risks. The real reason why UT is against expansion has little to do with the available programs and more to do with the potential loss of power.
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By Sly Fox
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There is almost no upside to inviting small market teams with practically no fanbases to join a league and split of revenue to 12 instead of 10. Memphis will continue to be a SEC market regardless of what the Tigers do. Cincy will continue to be a B1G market regardless of what the Bearcasts do. Neither schools is close to even the most popular college team in their markets. Both bring some positive hoops history and horrendous football history. Yeah, sign em up!

Using BCS as a measure of today's standards in ridiculous. The BCS was rigged by Roy to make sure there was at least one if not two SEC schools in the championship game. That system is thankfully gone. The Big XII will have a team in the playoffs most every year moving forward. And television ratings do just fine when the Sooners & Longhorns are playing well. The Horns having been holding up there end of the bargain the past couple of years. And still TV ratings are strong based on a 10-team league.

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By Purple Haize
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Sly Fox wrote:The problem is that the schools the ACC wants to ditch, no one else wants. We'd gladly trade WVU for FSU. Lousiville? Not so much.
:shock: :shock: you want Louisville :shock: :shock: you want Lousiville :shock: stare into my eyes
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By VAGolf
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Sly Fox wrote:There is almost no upside to inviting small market teams with practically no fanbases to join a league and split of revenue to 12 instead of 10. Memphis will continue to be a SEC market regardless of what the Tigers do. Cincy will continue to be a B1G market regardless of what the Bearcasts do. Neither schools is close to even the most popular college team in their markets. Both bring some positive hoops history and horrendous football history. Yeah, sign em up!

Using BCS as a measure of today's standards in ridiculous. The BCS was rigged by Roy to make sure there was at least one if not two SEC schools in the championship game. That system is thankfully gone. The Big XII will have a team in the playoffs most every year moving forward. And television ratings do just fine when the Sooners & Longhorns are playing well. The Horns having been holding up there end of the bargain the past couple of years. And still TV ratings are strong based on a 10-team league.

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Sly, let's take a little virtual walk around the FlameFans trail, shall we? Your first statement is exactly what is wrong with UT and it's why they aren't actually supportive of any expansion. UT is simply money hungry. When forced to choose between money and competitiveness, UT chooses money. Adding two more schools to the Big12 means less money and less power for Texas. That's the story behind the story.

Now, goal of adding Cincinnati and Memphis is not to take over markets currently owned by the Big10 and SEC. The goal is to tread on territory. Nobody has said that Ohio or Tennessee would become Big12 markets. For what it's worth, if you added FSU, Florida wouldn't become a Big12 state either. What Cincinnati and Memphis bring to the Big12 is EXPOSURE. Instead of fans watching Tennessee vs Ohio, you can give them a chance to watch Memphis host Texas. Instead of Big10 fans watching Ohio State host Rutgers, fans can watch Cincinnati host Oklahoma. Is it a perfect fit? Nope. But both schools provide SOME value and allow you to have a conference championship game.

The BCS was not rigged. That's ridiculous. With the exception of QB's, the NFL is currently dominated by former SEC players. Simply placing the blame for the Big12's struggles on a conspiracy theory is a weak, but typical Texas, argument. The SEC had more talent and better coaches for the better part of a decade. No one rigged the system.

Why will the Big12 have a team in the playoffs consistently? Two years ago, you didn't have a team in the playoffs BECAUSE you didn't have a conference championship game. Last year, you ONLY had a team because Oklahoma made an incredibly improbable run that included numerous factors outside of their control. And it's now confirmed that the Big12 is at a 5-6% disadvantage every year they don't have a conference championship. So, please explain why you have such confidence in the conference's ability to produce a consistent playoff contender. If it weren't for one bad TCU possession, you would be staring two straight years without a team in the playoff.

TV ratings aren't strong. lol. Are you even researching this before you post? The Big12 had the worst TV numbers of any P5 conference last year. The WORST.

And what about those attendance numbers? Your third....based on an average. Is that really something to be proud of? To be third in average attendance per game? Truthfully, I would be more concerned that the Pac12 had over 300,000 more people watch their games.
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By Purple Haize
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Sly Fox wrote:The Qataris are doing everything they can to diversify away from dependence on natural gas. Media has long been an obsession for them.
Dubai started the trend decades ago
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By Sly Fox
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I have known Kirk for two decades and he has always played the role of the provocateur at the Statesman. I would add that UH picked a bad time to start a turf war in Houston if they didn't want UT to stand diametrically opposed to their Big XII candidacy.

Keep in mind that if UH were admitted ot the Big XII, it would have devastating impact on schools like your alma mater that depends heavily on Houston for talent. That's why none of the Texas & Oklahoma schools (even Texas A&M) want UH to be elevated to their level. A coach like Herman could close ranks on the city.
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By rmiller1959
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Sly Fox wrote:I have known Kirk for two decades and he has always played the role of the provocateur at the Statesman. I would add that UH picked a bad time to start a turf war in Houston if they didn't want UT to stand diametrically opposed to their Big XII candidacy.

Keep in mind that if UH were admitted ot the Big XII, it would have devastating impact on schools like your alma mater that depends heavily on Houston for talent. That's why none of the Texas & Oklahoma schools (even Texas A&M) want UH to be elevated to their level. A coach like Herman could close ranks on the city.

Perfect analysis - I appreciate the attention and the fact you have your finger on the pulse of what's happening with college football in Texas. I love LU football but the old Southwest Conference games I attended as a student at Texas Tech were epic gridiron battles. We despised Houston, FWIW, for some embarrassing beatdowns at the hands of Bill Yeoman and their Veer offense. We're picking up a series with them again starting in 2017.
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By Sly Fox
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Options? What options?

In their defense, the school has done a ton to raise its academic profile from the Cougar High days. They certainly need a hoops arena upgrade from the Hof.

As for Cincy ... :roll:
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By rmiller1959
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Report: Big 12 expansion, TV network on hold for 2016
If the presidents haven’t even broken their proverbial bread yet, how could the issue already be decided? With 10 schools, only three are needed to block any movement, and Texas, TCU and Texas Tech were said to be against expansion heading into the meetings.

It’s also possible this report is a trial balloon of sorts, a shot across the bow at a specific group of people in the meeting room.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co ... -for-2016/
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By rmiller1959
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It doesn't take a psychic to see where this is going. They're not going to expand or add a Big 12 Network, but they will add a championship game. Ultimately, they want the most money at the lowest risk possible. As far as expansion goes, this was a false alarm.

Some people think the Big 12 will eventually cease to exist if they don't do all three - expand, add a championship game, and create a network. We'll see. In the meantime, I'm going back to my summer!

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/if-big-12- ... ncaaf.html
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By Purple Haize
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Sly Fox wrote:Options? What options?

In their defense, the school has done a ton to raise its academic profile from the Cougar High days. They certainly need a hoops arena upgrade from the Hof.

As for Cincy ... :roll:
I bet the ACC will throw in Louisville for WVU so you guys need up with a 2-1 deal!!
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