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By Sly Fox
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USC & Stanford to the B1G was a serious rumor a few months back at the height of the frenzy from the UT/OU announcement. It is not crazy talk. The following are all AAU member institutions:

Arizona
California
Colorado
Oregon
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Utah
Washington


Not all might be targets of the B1G but then again they all might be. Texas & Oklahoma were rumored to be part of the B1G Super League plans prior to their decision to join the SEC.
By tyndal23
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Sly Fox wrote: May 6th, 2022, 12:38 pm USC & Stanford to the B1G was a serious rumor a few months back at the height of the frenzy from the UT/OU announcement. It is not crazy talk. The following are all AAU member institutions:

Arizona
California
Colorado
Oregon
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Utah
Washington


Not all might be targets of the B1G but then again they all might be. Texas & Oklahoma were rumored to be part of the B1G Super League plans prior to their decision to join the SEC.
Not arguing the “desire” for superconference, just that the cleanest “break” and true top 32 or 48 is a football only semi pro league outside of the NCAA. It eliminates all the conference infighting/lawsuits on who should go and who shouldn’t. Takes the “educational status” completely off the table and maxes out the tv markets and $. It makes football more of a “club” sport that is associated with the school and generates mad cash. The Presidents can keep their snootery to the other NCAA sports and conferences. Semi Pro Travel not an issue with Football - it is a big issue with the other sports in a “Super Conference”. We are headed to 1929 level depression and a semi pro league revenue is going to save a lot of these schools. If the 3rd party that sets this up allows for open tv bidding annually on games among the current conference tv right holders, it will go smooth and not be all tied up with lawsuits. If a ND or UNC opts to not accept invite based on “principle” - no problem - next school up. The relationship,tradition, old boy network is out the window and every invited school can accept or deny the “invitation” for triple/quadruple current $. Vanderbilt, UVA, Miss St etc. can cry all they want, but have no recourse...
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By Ill flame
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TH Spangler wrote: May 6th, 2022, 6:23 am Super conf TV money will make anything possible.

If D1 is only 30 to 40 teams, D2 will be very interesting.
We already have 2 super conferences that are negotiating tv money to match. If it's true that the B1G will sign a $1. 1 billion/ year tv contract which amounts to $78 million per team before other payouts such as CFP, it will be worth more per team than the NHL and MLBs national tv payout. Its also very comparable to the NBAs TV contract.

There is a mutual distrust between these two conferences which makes me think there won't be some sort of merger. A league with Ohio St/ michigan and Alabama/Georgia together might be worth a lot of money but the academic elitism would be too much to overcome.
By tyndal23
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Ill flame wrote: May 6th, 2022, 6:00 pm
TH Spangler wrote: May 6th, 2022, 6:23 am Super conf TV money will make anything possible.

If D1 is only 30 to 40 teams, D2 will be very interesting.
We already have 2 super conferences that are negotiating tv money to match. If it's true that the B1G will sign a $1. 1 billion/ year tv contract which amounts to $78 million per team before other payouts such as CFP, it will be worth more per team than the NHL and MLBs national tv payout. Its also very comparable to the NBAs TV contract.

There is a mutual distrust between these two conferences which makes me think there won't be some sort of merger. A league with Ohio St/ michigan and Alabama/Georgia together might be worth a lot of money but the academic elitism would be too much to overcome.
Lining up SEC and Big 10 with additional teams to both get to 24 teams ( while having to keep the bottom feeders of your conference ) then agreeing on terms and conditions is actually much harder than letting your Football Program join a semipro league , keeping the other sports in current conference as NCAA and reaping cash windfall with much less “liability”. Off campus housing, “school optional”. The football players don’t even have to sully the academic grounds. They just wear the Jersey on Saturday and are paid through a 3rd party league that has its own governance, players union, profit share, Commissioner etc.
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By TH Spangler
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tyndal23 wrote: May 6th, 2022, 1:24 pm
Sly Fox wrote: May 6th, 2022, 12:38 pm USC & Stanford to the B1G was a serious rumor a few months back at the height of the frenzy from the UT/OU announcement. It is not crazy talk. The following are all AAU member institutions:

Arizona
California
Colorado
Oregon
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Utah
Washington

Not all might be targets of the B1G but then again they all might be. Texas & Oklahoma were rumored to be part of the B1G Super League plans prior to their decision to join the SEC.
Not arguing the “desire” for superconference, just that the cleanest “break” and true top 32 or 48 is a football only semi pro league outside of the NCAA. It eliminates all the conference infighting/lawsuits on who should go and who shouldn’t. Takes the “educational status” completely off the table and maxes out the tv markets and $. It makes football more of a “club” sport that is associated with the school and generates mad cash. The Presidents can keep their snootery to the other NCAA sports and conferences. Semi Pro Travel not an issue with Football - it is a big issue with the other sports in a “Super Conference”. We are headed to 1929 level depression and a semi pro league revenue is going to save a lot of these schools. If the 3rd party that sets this up allows for open tv bidding annually on games among the current conference tv right holders, it will go smooth and not be all tied up with lawsuits. If a ND or UNC opts to not accept invite based on “principle” - no problem - next school up. The relationship,tradition, old boy network is out the window and every invited school can accept or deny the “invitation” for triple/quadruple current $. Vanderbilt, UVA, Miss St etc. can cry all they want, but have no recourse...
The Great Reset :lol:
By ballcoach15
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I heard that 1 good thing that may come out of all this mess with NCAA, is baseball and softball may be able to have every player on full scholarship, eliminating the dumb rule of 11.7 scholarships per team. Also schools will be able to hire more assistant coaches.
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By ATrain
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Sly Fox wrote: May 6th, 2022, 12:38 pm USC & Stanford to the B1G was a serious rumor a few months back at the height of the frenzy from the UT/OU announcement. It is not crazy talk. The following are all AAU member institutions:

Arizona
California
Colorado
Oregon
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Utah
Washington


Not all might be targets of the B1G but then again they all might be. Texas & Oklahoma were rumored to be part of the B1G Super League plans prior to their decision to join the SEC.
The B1G and PAC-"whatever number" may as well merge if that many are wanting to go the B1G
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By Ill flame
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At that point wouldn't it make more sense for the B1G to raid the ACC and keep their alliance with the pac 12? I would argue only 3 or 4 of those pac 12 teams would move the needle for the B1G in any meaningful way.
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By Ill flame
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ballcoach15 wrote: May 8th, 2022, 6:59 pm I would love to see B10 raid ACC and take Pittsburgh, Boston College, Syracuse and Louisville. Those 4 don't belong in ACC, nor does Notre Dame.
They wouldnt want any part of those 4 schools. I think the only ones they would have interest in is Virginia or UNC with Georgia Tech being an outside possibility.
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By Sly Fox
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Just curious which ACC schools would "move the needle for the B1G in any meaningful way"?

Let the record show that the B1G took on much less attractive additions such as Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska in the lasr round of realignment. Schools like Colorado, Washington, Stanford and UCLA or USC would give them a stranglehold on the west coast while meeting their academic standards.
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By Purple Haize
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Sly Fox wrote: May 8th, 2022, 8:35 pm Just curious which ACC schools would "move the needle for the B1G in any meaningful way"?
I know a Big 12 school that would!
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By Ill flame
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Sly Fox wrote: May 8th, 2022, 8:35 pm Just curious which ACC schools would "move the needle for the B1G in any meaningful way"?

Let the record show that the B1G took on much less attractive additions such as Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska in the lasr round of realignment. Schools like Colorado, Washington, Stanford and UCLA or USC would give them a stranglehold on the west coast while meeting their academic standards.
Look at the post above you. Virginia and North Carolina. They bring in a good tv market, make sense geographically and are institutional fits. I don't believe any of the reports from anonymous sources that read it on a message board that said that the B1G were interested in pac 12 schools. Joe biden without a teleprompter has more credibility.
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By alabama24
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There needs to be a break from football in these conferences. Sticking with my SEC: Vanderbilt is a perfect fit in the SEC except for football. If a new super league forms, it should be “football only.” The conferences can then reshuffle for other sports.
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By Ill flame
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Football only conferences would fix a lot of issues. I look at the Missouri Valley football conference as a model that works pretty well. The football league is pretty spread out which is fine since travel is minimal in that sport but the non football league is very compact geographically. If we are talking the SEC Oklahoma, Texas, Texas a&m and mizzou work for a football only version of the conference but shouldn't be in that conference for all sports. Same applies to Nebraska, Penn St, Maryland and Rutgers in the B1G.
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By Sly Fox
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Ill flame wrote: May 9th, 2022, 2:40 am
Sly Fox wrote: May 8th, 2022, 8:35 pm Just curious which ACC schools would "move the needle for the B1G in any meaningful way"?

Let the record show that the B1G took on much less attractive additions such as Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska in the lasr round of realignment. Schools like Colorado, Washington, Stanford and UCLA or USC would give them a stranglehold on the west coast while meeting their academic standards.
Look at the post above you. Virginia and North Carolina. They bring in a good tv market, make sense geographically and are institutional fits. I don't believe any of the reports from anonymous sources that read it on a message board that said that the B1G were interested in pac 12 schools. Joe biden without a teleprompter has more credibility.
We posted at nearly the same time the other day (within a minute). Sorry for the confusion earlier.

What good TV market does either UVa or UNC bring in that is even in the same conversation at LA or SF? Geographical sense? I guess if you squint just right. Institutional fits? Huh? I am not sure how the B1G schools would feel if given a choice between being paired up with Stanford/USC or UVa/UNC. Wait, I know exactly how they'd feel. Look west, young man.

Honestly I could see a B1G Super Conference picking the best of the west and adding the two you mentioned. But the ACC schools don't have the cachet academically of the schools we are referencing out west.

Let's be clear, I don't see it developing into super conferences any time soon. But if it did develop into an arms race, the SEC would certainly be chasing the Pac-12 schools with vigor as well witrhout the pretentious baggage the B1G possesses.
By ATrain
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ballcoach15 wrote: May 10th, 2022, 3:42 pm Queens is joining the ASUN. That should disrupt the landscape of conference realignment.
Wonder if High Point will jump over to join their old buddies...
By ATrain
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ASUN and WAC renew their alliance for 2022, ensuring an autobid to the FCS playoffs
By tyndal23
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For the record, Twitter handle LibertyFlamesNation (LUFlamesNAtion) isn’t me...he is saying most of the stuff I have been harping about for 3 years, but I don’t whine on Twitter....badmouthing CUSA now doesn’t do us any good ( nor does arguing that it is even close to Sunbelt in football ).
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By Ill flame
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Most complaints about the schedule or move to c-usa have validity even if I don't agree with all of them. Assuming c-usa doesn't sign an abysmal tv contract I think itll be a better football conference than people think. I would rather be in the sunbelt but I'm not gonna pretend that them adding 1 solid football program, 2 mediocre teams and a fcs school makes them the top G5 like some sunbelt fans like to believe. C-usa will be closer in football quality than people realize but it's gonna take a few years for the narrative to change.
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