If you want to talk Big South smack or ramble ad nauseum about your favorite pro or major college teams, this is the place to let it rip.
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By Cider Jim
#569040 Waiting for Ballcoach to respond to this one...
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By adam42381
#569054
BuryYourDuke wrote:Why? Because a college student yelled something racist from the stands at a game, or at least that’s what his attorney says. So he shouldn’t have to sit out a year.

https://sports.yahoo.com/justin-fields-eligibility-will-college-footballs-biggest-offseason-storyline-211837092.html



BuryYourDuke wrote:The baseball angle being that he wouldn’t feel safe playing baseball there?

I’m all for the kid’s right to transfer to Ohio State if he’s not good enough to beat out Jake From State Fromm.

But hiring a troll attorney and cynically claiming to feel “unsafe” due to racism so you don’t have to follow the rules speaks pretty horrifically of his and his father’s character.

Never thought I would say this in my life, but I’m rooting for Tate.


I don’t understand your outrage here. A Georgia baseball player called him the N-word and was kicked off the team for it. It happened. You don’t know whether he feels unsafe or not.
By ballcoach15
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Cider Jim wrote:Waiting for Ballcoach to respond to this one...



The dumbest person in the country should know Fields is transferring because he is #2 on depth chart at Georgia. Even the NCAA knows this.
Baseball has nothing to do with this transfer. Zero.
I hope he has to sit out a year, and never sees the field for Ohio State. Anyone who transfers from SEC to Big 10 isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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By RubberMallet
#569099 if he wins with that poor of an argument, this will open the floodgates. shea won because of documented violations by Liberty's new HC. and it apparently was only by slim margins that he did.

what will be interesting is that Tate Martell is legit. There is no guarantee that fields will be the starter at OSU either.
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By BJWilliams
#569148 That is true, but Drew Brees is an example of a "shorter" quarterback who can be successful at the NFL level. If Martell wins the job, he will need to show an elite level of accuracy to see that to fruition though
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By RubberMallet
#569249 brees was a prostyle qb at purdue. martell is not. he doesn't have the arm accuracy anywhere close to that or haskins. not saying it can't develop but if he's drafted, its for something other than QB in my opinion.
By JK37
#569514 College football has also reached the point where many WB’s come already “coached up”. Just look at who the best QB on the field was Monday night.
By ballcoach15
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JK37 wrote:College football has also reached the point where many WB’s come already “coached up”. Just look at who the best QB on the field was Monday night.



WB's ? Do you mean QB's ?

Freshmen QBs do come more prepared now than in the past.
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By RubberMallet
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BuryYourDuke wrote:New coach must have let him know that this won’t be an open competition.


thats the speculation. on 11warriors (the big OSU forum) they are freaking out because many don't believe that fields will get his appeal approved. But others are like, this wouldn't of happened if they didn't know for sure but Martell has been a loudmouth through this entire process.
By JK37
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ballcoach15 wrote:
JK37 wrote:College football has also reached the point where many WB’s come already “coached up”. Just look at who the best QB on the field was Monday night.



WB's ? Do you mean QB's ?

Freshmen QBs do come more prepared now than in the past.


Yes, meant QB’s. Thanks for clearing that up BC.
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By BJWilliams
#569752 And looks like Austin Kendall at OU is possibly headed to tbe transfer portal (if he isnt in it already)
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By CCWMichael
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ballcoach15 wrote:All these transfers remind me of elementary school playground where we "chose up" and played at recess every day. Different teams every day.


And, we have not even addressed coaching carousels

Bidness is bidness
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By Purple Haize
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ballcoach15 wrote:All these transfers remind me of elementary school playground where we "chose up" and played at recess every day. Different teams every day.


Sociologists will tell you that the #1 problem with Sport today is the decline and vanishing of Play.
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By RubberMallet
#569803 while i think this isn't good, i think the NCAA doesn't care about this at all. It keeps them in headlines and allowing players more freedom in this regard may allow them to shed the "pay them" criticism somewhat. at least allow them to kick the can down the road.
By ballcoach15
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Purple Haize wrote:
ballcoach15 wrote:All these transfers remind me of elementary school playground where we "chose up" and played at recess every day. Different teams every day.


Sociologists will tell you that the #1 problem with Sport today is the decline and vanishing of Play.


I have always maintained that all sports, this side of Professional ranks (MLB, NFL, NBA) should be about playing the sport and trying to win championships............................not $$$$$$$$$.
By oldflame
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Purple Haize wrote:
ballcoach15 wrote:All these transfers remind me of elementary school playground where we "chose up" and played at recess every day. Different teams every day.


Sociologists will tell you that the #1 problem with Sport today is the decline and vanishing of Play.


How well I know. It's even getting that way here in the 3rd world. I have daily interactions with about a dozen kids between the ages of 2 and 14. They love to play............. video games. I did manage to find something they actually like to actively play with. Bought 3 nerf guns and 100 foam darts for about 25 bucks on Amazon as Christmas presents. They love it, but after about 20 minutes it's back to the tablet, laptop and cellphone. I try to set time limits, but it's tough. I've already told my son that in a couple of years when he is old enough he is going to baseball school in the afternoon after he finishes class. He seems to like the idea right now. We'll see.
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By Purple Haize
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oldflame wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:
ballcoach15 wrote:All these transfers remind me of elementary school playground where we "chose up" and played at recess every day. Different teams every day.


Sociologists will tell you that the #1 problem with Sport today is the decline and vanishing of Play.


How well I know. It's even getting that way here in the 3rd world. I have daily interactions with about a dozen kids between the ages of 2 and 14. They love to play............. video games. I did manage to find something they actually like to actively play with. Bought 3 nerf guns and 100 foam darts for about 25 bucks on Amazon as Christmas presents. They love it, but after about 20 minutes it's back to the tablet, laptop and cellphone. I try to set time limits, but it's tough. I've already told my son that in a couple of years when he is old enough he is going to baseball school in the afternoon after he finishes class. He seems to like the idea right now. We'll see.


Well you are closer in understanding than ballcoach unsurprisingly. We no longer allow kids to just Play. It has to be organized with rules, score and championships. There is plenty of time for that but the idea of Sport has filtered so far down into Youth Activities it’s sad. With your 3 nerf guns and 100 nerf darts you did more for those kids at that age then setting up a double elimination round robin tournament
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By CCWMichael
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Purple Haize wrote:Well you are closer in understanding than ballcoach unsurprisingly. We no longer allow kids to just Play. It has to be organized with rules, score and championships. There is plenty of time for that but the idea of Sport has filtered so far down into Youth Activities it’s sad. With your 3 nerf guns and 100 nerf darts you did more for those kids at that age then setting up a double elimination round robin tournament


#Strong
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By RubberMallet
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Purple Haize wrote:
Sociologists will tell you that the #1 problem with Sport today is the decline and vanishing of Play.

[/quote]

drive around sometime in the spring and summer and you notice a few things. The first that there are no kids playing pickup games of baseball or football at parks...basketball courts sit for the most part empty. That is a symptom of multiple things i believe.

the First obviously (but i say is the lesser of all reasons) is the "video game" excuse. but it hink its more screen time not necessarily video games. we had nintendo/supernintendo/genesis back then too.

the 2nd is that many of the fields that i grew up playing on is now maintained by the local HEAT/VIPERS/ETC ETC traveling teams and are off limits to just playing on.

which leads me to the 3rd. Kids don't have time to just enjoy casually the game they play during that season. the season is 365 now. I have a good number of buddies who teach baseball stuff as individual trainers. they are BOOKED solid all the time. Last year we wanted to rent an indoor hitting facility to hit some bp for our mens slowpitch league. all booked solid for weeks. And there are like 20 of them in old warehouses that didn't exist 20years ago. when a kid has downtime, do you think they want to do more o that at the park with their friends? no.

I was helping in sunday school with children and there were some 10 yr old boys talking about baseball and i joined in the discussion and asked if they every played home run derby. they werelike you mean like the mlb home run derby. i said yeah like by yourselves, got he park and see who can hit the most hr's. and they looked at me like i was crazy. i was just like Stupid Hose is going on.

We've taken the fun out of the sport in a way. everything is about that eventual highlight reel they'll need to get into college. its about getting those scholarship offers when they are in jr high. its about selling kids (moreso parents) on buying that lottery ticket because the odds are great (they aren't) of winning.

my best friend is the president of the local little league and his kids is in his last year and he's done. he's taken 3 kids through it and what its become or how crippled little league is due to aau/private travel ball teams is bad.
By ballcoach15
#569920 Good post RubberMallet.

Several years ago I was at a Middle School. The physical education class was playing shuffle board or something like that. I stopped and asked the teacher why they were not playing softball ? She replied, "somebody might get hurt". Team sports are not taught in elementary, middle and even high schools like they were when I was there. When I was in school, we played whatever sport was in season, every day.
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By Purple Haize
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RubberMallet wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:
Sociologists will tell you that the #1 problem with Sport today is the decline and vanishing of Play.



drive around sometime in the spring and summer and you notice a few things. The first that there are no kids playing pickup games of baseball or football at parks...basketball courts sit for the most part empty. That is a symptom of multiple things i believe.

the First obviously (but i say is the lesser of all reasons) is the "video game" excuse. but it hink its more screen time not necessarily video games. we had nintendo/supernintendo/genesis back then too.

the 2nd is that many of the fields that i grew up playing on is now maintained by the local HEAT/VIPERS/ETC ETC traveling teams and are off limits to just playing on.

which leads me to the 3rd. Kids don't have time to just enjoy casually the game they play during that season. the season is 365 now. I have a good number of buddies who teach baseball stuff as individual trainers. they are BOOKED solid all the time. Last year we wanted to rent an indoor hitting facility to hit some bp for our mens slowpitch league. all booked solid for weeks. And there are like 20 of them in old warehouses that didn't exist 20years ago. when a kid has downtime, do you think they want to do more o that at the park with their friends? no.

I was helping in sunday school with children and there were some 10 yr old boys talking about baseball and i joined in the discussion and asked if they every played home run derby. they werelike you mean like the mlb home run derby. i said yeah like by yourselves, got he park and see who can hit the most hr's. and they looked at me like i was crazy. i was just like Stupid Hose is going on.

We've taken the fun out of the sport in a way. everything is about that eventual highlight reel they'll need to get into college. its about getting those scholarship offers when they are in jr high. its about selling kids (moreso parents) on buying that lottery ticket because the odds are great (they aren't) of winning.

my best friend is the president of the local little league and his kids is in his last year and he's done. he's taken 3 kids through it and what its become or how crippled little league is due to aau/private travel ball teams is bad.[/quote]

My point exactly
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By Jonathan Carone
#569925 A large portion of kids not playing is also the fact that parents won’t let their kids go off on their own. It was nothing for me to ride my bike two miles to the park and hang out there most the day. That doesn’t happen today.
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By RubberMallet
#569926 thats another great point. when reality is that abductions aren't happening at a higher rate we just know about every abduction now.
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By Purple Haize
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JK37 wrote:
ballcoach15 wrote:We talked 8 miles to play ball 3 times a week.


I’m sure you did.

(A slip to be sure, but also surely a Freudian one.)


He meant he talked the entire 8 miles
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By Purple Haize
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ballcoach15 wrote:The NCAA granted Fields a waiver to play immediately at Ohio State.

I hope someone beats him out for starting job.


What about the transfers that came to LU?
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By CCWMichael
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Purple Haize wrote:
ballcoach15 wrote:The NCAA granted Fields a waiver to play immediately at Ohio State.

I hope someone beats him out for starting job.


What about the transfers that came to LU?


Those Benedit Arnolds and Chelsea Mannings
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By RubberMallet
#572497 it changes the landscape of college football. on one hand, i have no issue with it. everyone else in college athletics is capable of doing it why shouldn't the players. for a few college football is a means to an end to get to the nfl. why hamstring them to have to wait for a chance to play and get on draft boards. For most, they just want to play. Let them go somewhere they can.

Some might think this only helps the haves but i disagree. I think a school like clemson or alabama would have a much harder time holding onto 5 stars who could transfer and play immediately.

I think there should be a limit though. you get 1 free pass. so make it count.

The NCAA this year had a off season. i'm sure they loved it.
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By Class of 20Something
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RubberMallet wrote:it changes the landscape of college football. on one hand, i have no issue with it. everyone else in college athletics is capable of doing it why shouldn't the players. for a few college football is a means to an end to get to the nfl. why hamstring them to have to wait for a chance to play and get on draft boards. For most, they just want to play. Let them go somewhere they can.

Some might think this only helps the haves but i disagree. I think a school like clemson or alabama would have a much harder time holding onto 5 stars who could transfer and play immediately.

I think there should be a limit though. you get 1 free pass. so make it count.

The NCAA this year had a off season. i'm sure they loved it.


I agree. I think allowing a single transfer gets the best players starting across the landscape of college football. Assuming that rating equates to talent, allowing transfers puts top tier players that get buried in depth charts starting at "lower tier" schools. Theoretically that should help bridge the talent gap if it's without penalty.

I would even be okay if the penalty remained but was reduced to 4 games versus the entire season.
By ballcoach15
#572501 Transfers are not good in college (or high school), nor is free agency in the professional ranks.

I have seen high school basketball players play at 4 schools in 4 years. I have seen high school football coaches leave one school and go to another, and take the QB with him. More of this crap takes place in high school that most realize.

Transfers should only be granted in "extreme hardship" cases. getting benched is not a hardship.
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By Class of 20Something
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ballcoach15 wrote:Transfers are not good in college (or high school), nor is free agency in the professional ranks.

I have seen high school basketball players play at 4 schools in 4 years. I have seen high school football coaches leave one school and go to another, and take the QB with him. More of this crap takes place in high school that most realize.

Transfers should only be granted in "extreme hardship" cases. getting benched is not a hardship.


None of that is a why though. First off, free agency is a fundamental concept in professional sports in a capitalist society. You can take off the babushka now.

Give us a WHY though. Do you believe that collegiate transfers will make it easier for schools to tamper? Do you think the product on the field will get worse? Is it based solely on the antiquated idea that the players owe it to the school just because they chose them out of high school?

Have you never changed employers to get paid better?
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By Purple Haize
#572507 You expect ballcoach to give you a ‘why’? Aren’t you cute. He obviously has no problem with transfers coming to Liberty so there is no intellectual honesty in any thought process there anyways
And if he wants to talk HS sports....well we have unfortunately seen how woefully uninformed he is on that topic
By ballcoach15
#572508 Transfers lead to unethical and illegal "recruiting". Not to mention the transfer players taking "team" secrets to another team.

PH, as for HS sports, I will match anyone on knowledge of HS sports. Now, granted I don't follow them as close as I once did. Majority of my focus is now on college softball & football.
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By Class of 20Something
#572509
ballcoach15 wrote:Transfers lead to unethical and illegal "recruiting". Not to mention the transfer players taking "team" secrets to another team.


Will opening the transfer market cause people that are not currently engaging in unethical or illegal recruiting to begin to?
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By Purple Haize
#572511
Class of 20Something wrote:
ballcoach15 wrote:Transfers lead to unethical and illegal "recruiting". Not to mention the transfer players taking "team" secrets to another team.


Will opening the transfer market cause people that are not currently engaging in unethical or illegal recruiting to begin to?

Obviously LU already is since LU has transfers
By oldflame
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ballcoach15 wrote:Transfers lead to unethical and illegal "recruiting". Not to mention the transfer players taking "team" secrets to another team.

PH, as for HS sports, I will match anyone on knowledge of HS sports. Now, granted I don't follow them as close as I once did. Majority of my focus is now on college softball & football.


Once again you prove you are #Legend in His Own Mind

Your statement is totally without factual basis, and quite frankly, reeks of paranoia. Under the NCAA rules, all a player has to do is declare their interest in transferring by applying to enter the transfer "portal" and they can be recruited by other schools. It is TOTALLY LEGAL. The idea that there are widespread efforts to entice athletes to leave other schools and transfer prior to their applying for it is just bogus. I defy you to give me even ONE example. There simply is no significant reason to do it. "Team secrets"? You've got to be kidding, right? Never mind, of course you aren't. :roll:
By thepostman
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ballcoach15 wrote:Transfers are not good in college (or high school), nor is free agency in the professional ranks.

I have seen high school basketball players play at 4 schools in 4 years. I have seen high school football coaches leave one school and go to another, and take the QB with him. More of this crap takes place in high school that most realize.

Transfers should only be granted in "extreme hardship" cases. getting benched is not a hardship.


You are such a contractiction.

You hate the NCAA but love all of their asinine rules.