If you want to talk Big South smack or ramble ad nauseum about your favorite pro or major college teams, this is the place to let it rip.
By Chris Lang
#529748 I still think the Big South is in trouble long term, unless there's some sort of merger with the A-Sun down the road. Savannah State dropping to DII might open the floodgates for programs that have no business in Division I (hi Presby) to drop down a level. Winthrop, Asheville, Radford and High Point are all fine. Gardner-Webb, who knows? Charleston Southern? How much longer can that program continue to survive on a shoestring budget and a steady diet of money games? Longwood probably won't try to put the genie back in the bottle, but it doesn't have to support football, either. Will be interesting to see how this all unfolds.
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By Purple Haize
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Chris Lang wrote:I still think the Big South is in trouble long term, unless there's some sort of merger with the A-Sun down the road. Savannah State dropping to DII might open the floodgates for programs that have no business in Division I (hi Presby) to drop down a level. Winthrop, Asheville, Radford and High Point are all fine. Gardner-Webb, who knows? Charleston Southern? How much longer can that program continue to survive on a shoestring budget and a steady diet of money games? Longwood probably won't try to put the genie back in the bottle, but it doesn't have to support football, either. Will be interesting to see how this all unfolds.


The Big South gives us a nice microcosm of the seismic shift that's going to happen in college athletics in the next 5 years. It's not just the Big South that's in trouble and with Coastal and LU leaving its condition critical at the moment. But there are a lot of schools out there that are over extended.
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By Class of 20Something
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Purple Haize wrote:
Chris Lang wrote:I still think the Big South is in trouble long term, unless there's some sort of merger with the A-Sun down the road. Savannah State dropping to DII might open the floodgates for programs that have no business in Division I (hi Presby) to drop down a level. Winthrop, Asheville, Radford and High Point are all fine. Gardner-Webb, who knows? Charleston Southern? How much longer can that program continue to survive on a shoestring budget and a steady diet of money games? Longwood probably won't try to put the genie back in the bottle, but it doesn't have to support football, either. Will be interesting to see how this all unfolds.


The Big South gives us a nice microcosm of the seismic shift that's going to happen in college athletics in the next 5 years. It's not just the Big South that's in trouble and with Coastal and LU leaving its condition critical at the moment. But there are a lot of schools out there that are over extended.


Agreed. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if D1 ball divided into three subdivisions. I think a true grandiose realignment could benefit a lot of programs. It would feel like a step back from FBS, but it's already clear about the distinction between P5 and G5.
By ballcoach15
#529767 I think all D1 schools should be on the same plain. But we all know that money has ruined college sports. It's no longer about playing and trying to win a championship, it's about money. All conferences should be treated equally. granted the ACC, SEC, B10, B12 and PAC 10 (12) or whatever they're called this week, are somewhat stronger than other conferences, but that should not give them extra power and or benefits. Every D1 school should have opportunity to try to win a championship.
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By Purple Haize
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ballcoach15 wrote:I think all D1 schools should be on the same plain. But we all know that money has ruined college sports. It's no longer about playing and trying to win a championship, it's about money. All conferences should be treated equally. granted the ACC, SEC, B10, B12 and PAC 10 (12) or whatever they're called this week, are somewhat stronger than other conferences, but that should not give them extra power and or benefits. Every D1 school should have opportunity to try to win a championship.


Didn't Coastal win one in baseball?
Wasn't Gonzaga a few minutes from winning one in basketball?
UCONN has won several in WBB.
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By Class of 20Something
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ballcoach15 wrote:I think all D1 schools should be on the same plain. But we all know that money has ruined college sports. It's no longer about playing and trying to win a championship, it's about money. All conferences should be treated equally. granted the ACC, SEC, B10, B12 and PAC 10 (12) or whatever they're called this week, are somewhat stronger than other conferences, but that should not give them extra power and or benefits. Every D1 school should have opportunity to try to win a championship.


I disagree. I'd rather a separate playoff for G5. They can all have the same scholarships and all of that, but when one G5 school brings in a 4* recruit, it isn't a level playing field. Our desire isn't reality. Crack down on the toilet bowl games and get a separate playoff because Boise St could go undefeated and won't be in the conversation for the CFP. I'm fine with other sports keeping their structure, but there is a massive disparity in football that makes it less fun to watch.
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By TH Spangler
#529770 C-USA, Sun Belt merger can’t come fast enough
BY PATRICK MAGEE

http://www.sunherald.com/sports/spt-col ... 13204.html

The conference could easily be expanded to 28 teams with the inclusion of Liberty, UMass, New Mexico State and possibly an FCS team like James Madison or Sam Houston State.
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By WinthropEagleFan
#529772 I understand that merger concept when it comes to travel/expenses...but now you're battling 25 or so teams for an auto bid in every sport? Unless you're a league that can generate extra TV revenue with more members (ie the ACC, Big Ten, etc), I don't see why you want to keep getting bigger and bigger...you have more teams dividing the small pies that you are already dealing with, and making it harder to get NCAA bids for all of your programs.
By ballcoach15
#529773 Good observations Eagle fan. It's always good to be in position to get an at large bid, when you don't win conference tournament. With a 28 team conference, I see 27 teams sitting home come NCAA tournament time. Now granted, every now and then someone will have RPI high enough for at large bid. Plus with large conferences you have unbalanced schedules. The ACC has that now. I believe the ACC has 14 teams, which is too many. Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Louisville and Notre Dame should have never been allowed to come near the ACC. Probably Boston College also.
When you have large conferences, there's a lot of cost for travel. I don't see how some BSC schools survive now.
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By Purple Haize
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ballcoach15 wrote:Good observations Eagle fan. It's always good to be in position to get an at large bid, when you don't win conference tournament. With a 28 team conference, I see 27 teams sitting home come NCAA tournament time. Now granted, every now and then someone will have RPI high enough for at large bid. Plus with large conferences you have unbalanced schedules. The ACC has that now. I believe the ACC has 14 teams, which is too many. Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Louisville and Notre Dame should have never been allowed to come near the ACC. Probably Boston College also.
When you have large conferences, there's a lot of cost for travel. I don't see how some BSC schools survive now.


Wait. A while back you said there should be NO At Large bids
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By alabama24
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ballcoach15 wrote:That would be a lot of teams for one conference.



Something needs to change, and this might be the way to do it. Remember: The SEC pioneered the championship game model. The smaller teams need to devise a system that works for them. The way the author describes it, stronger regional rivalries would be formed.

Some other thoughts: the four divisions could rotate playing one another and have a mini playoff. North plays South this year, champions meet in one of two championship games BEFORE bowl games are announced. North plays East next year and West in two years.

That would bring more excitement all around.
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By alabama24
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ballcoach15 wrote: When you have large conferences, there's a lot of cost for travel.


You didn't read the article, or it went over your head! The point is to REDUCE travel costs. Teams would have more regional rivalries with the combined conference structure.
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By alabama24
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ballcoach15 wrote:I read entire article. With 28 teams divided into regions, you still need a conference champion. 28 is too many for conference tournaments.


Why do you need "a" conference champion? Think outside the box coach!
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By Class of 20Something
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ballcoach15 wrote:I read entire article. With 28 teams divided into regions, you still need a conference champion. 28 is too many for conference tournaments.


We really are in the YMCA age of everyone makes the tournament aren't we.....Two teams from each region is an 8 team playoff. Done. Or just do 4 teams and suck it up buttercup if your region is stacked(I'm looking at you, Texas.)
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By Sly Fox
#529793 The much more likely scenario that has been bandied about the region is for the Sun Belt & CUSA to reach an agreement to reorganize membership between them based on geography (likely west schools take Sun Belt and east take CUSA name). That way the number of auto bids isn't reduced and the travel costs come down. The primary challenge to pulling this off has to do with NCAA Tourney credits that determine how the Big Dance/CFP money is divided up. This scenario might open up an opportunity for us to join the eastern schools such as ODU, App State, Charlotte and even CJ's beloved Thundering Herd.

The cost of attendance increase in budgets is the primary driver for the sudden willingness for bidget-tightened state schools to consider these crazy ideas. Most of C-USA fled the Sun Belt in recent years to avoid being typecast as a Slum Belt school. But times are changing rapidly with TV revenue dropping precipitously due to cord-cutting.
By ballcoach15
#529812 Going with ODU, App State and Charlotte isn't much above FCS. As we go to FBS, we should avoid those schools in my opinion, unless we need them to fill out a schedule.
By thepostman
#529814 We should absolutely not avoid schools like that. Regional rivalries are very valuable and those schools are a big step up from what we have been use to in the Big South.

Baby steps, ballcoach.
By ballcoach15
#529816 When people think of FBS football, ODU nor Charlotte come to mind. We need to play more established schools. LU is fairly new school compared to most, but we have had football longer than ODU and Charlotte combined several times over. I could never get excited about playing either of those, regardless of home or away.
By thepostman
#529818 I am glad you aren't in charge of making our schedules. We would be on the road all 12 games playing an All ACC/SEC road schedule.
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By Purple Haize
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ballcoach15 wrote:When people think of FBS football, ODU nor Charlotte come to mind. We need to play more established schools. LU is fairly new school compared to most, but we have had football longer than ODU and Charlotte combined several times over. I could never get excited about playing either of those, regardless of home or away.


You realize just because LU wants to play a certain school doesn't mean that school has an interest in playing LU
By ballcoach15
#529820 I realize that. There are no doubt schools that feel same way about playing LU as I do ODU and Charlotte. It's the job of AD and Coach Gill to put together a good schedule. I am confident they will.
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By Purple Haize
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ballcoach15 wrote:I realize that. There are no doubt schools that feel same way about playing LU as I do ODU and Charlotte. It's the job of AD and Coach Gill to put together a good schedule. I am confident they will.


But their idea of a good schedule and yours are vastly different
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By Purple Haize
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ballcoach15 wrote:What is their idea of a good schedule ?

One that has ODU Charlotte and App St
By ballcoach15
#529832 When I think of a good schedule, I think of schools that will bring several thousand fans to Williams Stadium when they play in Lynchburg. ODU, Charlotte and Appy State probably would not bring many more than Coastal, Richmond or VMI brought in years past. I bet 99% of population in 50 miles radius of Lynchburg doesn't even know Charlotte has a football team.
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By Purple Haize
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ballcoach15 wrote:When I think of a good schedule, I think of schools that will bring several thousand fans to Williams Stadium when they play in Lynchburg. ODU, Charlotte and Appy State probably would not bring many more than Coastal, Richmond or VMI brought in years past. I bet 99% of population in 50 miles radius of Lynchburg doesn't even know Charlotte has a football team.


Thus my statement that your idea of a good schedule and their idea of a good schedule are two different things
By thepostman
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ballcoach15 wrote:When I think of a good schedule, I think of schools that will bring several thousand fans to Williams Stadium when they play in Lynchburg. ODU, Charlotte and Appy State probably would not bring many more than Coastal, Richmond or VMI brought in years past. I bet 99% of population in 50 miles radius of Lynchburg doesn't even know Charlotte has a football team.


All 3 of those schools have stronger followings than Coastal. I just think you say crap without actually thinking it through.
By ballcoach15
#529836 The Coastal part is probably true. I recall last spring at the BSC softball tournament in Rock hill, SC, LU probably had more fans there than Coastal, even though Coastal was closer to Rock Hill.
I was judging Coastal football fans that come to LU, compared with those other schools bring.
By Chris Lang
#529853 Stop comparing softball to football. That's an apples-to-kumquats comparison. You really have an inflated view of Liberty's standing in the greater athletic world if you think Liberty shouldn't be associated with "dregs" like ODU and Charlotte.
By oldflame
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Chris Lang wrote:Stop comparing softball to football. That's an apples-to-kumquats comparison. You really have an inflated view of Liberty's standing in the greater athletic world if you think Liberty shouldn't be associated with "dregs" like ODU and Charlotte.


It goes so, so far beyond that Chris. :roll: Substitute "distorted" for "inflated" and "reality" for "Liberty's standing in the athletic world" and you will be closer to the mark.
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By BJWilliams
#529856 Ballcoach is a whole other brand of crazy Chris...having been around here Im surprised you haven't noticed
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By Purple Haize
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BJWilliams wrote:Ballcoach is a whole other brand of crazy Chris...having been around here Im surprised you haven't noticed


Pot, Kettle. Kettle, Pot. :wink:

Luv ya Beej
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By BJWilliams
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Purple Haize wrote:
BJWilliams wrote:Ballcoach is a whole other brand of crazy Chris...having been around here Im surprised you haven't noticed


Pot, Kettle. Kettle, Pot. :wink:

Luv ya Beej


I know you do in your own strange way PH...but ballcoach is seriously on a level even I can't touch
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By Class of 20Something
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BJWilliams wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:
BJWilliams wrote:Ballcoach is a whole other brand of crazy Chris...having been around here Im surprised you haven't noticed


Pot, Kettle. Kettle, Pot. :wink:

Luv ya Beej


I know you do in your own strange way PH...but ballcoach is seriously on a level even I can't touch


So back to NCAA Realignment. What are the chances the P5 crumbles to the idea of compensating players? That would cause a massive divide of who could financially do that.
By BuryYourDuke
#529870 IF the P5 separate their football from the NCAA, they will try to compensate players. The institutions will still have to fight the uphill battle of lawsuits from the womenists who think they should get paid for their revenue sucking kickball games.
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By PAmedic
#529871 Wow strong work here ^^^
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By adam42381
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BuryYourDuke wrote:IF the P5 separate their football from the NCAA, they will try to compensate players. The institutions will still have to fight the uphill battle of lawsuits from the womenists who think they should get paid for their revenue sucking kickball games.

Do better.
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By Purple Haize
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BuryYourDuke wrote:WHEN the P5 separate their football from the NCAA, they will compensate players. The institutions will still have to fight the uphill battle of lawsuits from the womenists who think they should get paid for their revenue sucking kickball games.


FIFY

With the amount of money they will bring in compensating Women's LAX won't be an issue. It will be couched as the price of doing business