If you want to talk Big South smack or ramble ad nauseum about your favorite pro or major college teams, this is the place to let it rip.
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By VAGolf
#526897 I hope everyone is as excited as I am about hosting Idaho six times every year. Yay!!!!
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By LUnpretty11
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VAGolf wrote:I hope everyone is as excited as I am about hosting Idaho six times every year. Yay!!!!


Better than Presbyterian and Campbell every year.
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By VAGolf
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LUnpretty11 wrote:
VAGolf wrote:I hope everyone is as excited as I am about hosting Idaho six times every year. Yay!!!!


Better than Presbyterian and Campbell every year.


No. Presbyterian and Campbell may be bad, but they don't play football in a basketball gym. lol
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By LUnpretty11
#526901 Nobody is happy with the lack of success in the last 5 years, but this is immediately increases the caliber of opponent we get in the bill. That excites me. I would be excited to host Eastern Michigan over Monmouth every time.
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By LUnpretty11
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VAGolf wrote:
LUnpretty11 wrote:
VAGolf wrote:I hope everyone is as excited as I am about hosting Idaho six times every year. Yay!!!!


Better than Presbyterian and Campbell every year.


No. Presbyterian and Campbell may be bad, but they don't play football in a basketball gym. lol


I thought you were talking about football?!
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By LUminary
#526961 Glad this thread is history, at least as it pertains to our move up!
By ATrain
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Liberty22 wrote:Wichita State to the American Athletic Conference?

http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article135963693.html


Along with VCU and Dayton...didn't the AAC learn the first time around that this arrangement doesn't work long term? Why not Wichita State to the A10, or those three schools to the Big East? I really don't see how AAC membership benefits them without football...
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By Sly Fox
#527894 In spite of what the article indicated, football is not a dead issue for the Shockers. They could be considering AAC membership as a way to leverage football up that level immediately.
By ATrain
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Sly Fox wrote:In spite of what the article indicated, football is not a dead issue for the Shockers. They could be considering AAC membership as a way to leverage football up that level immediately.


Well if they want to bring back football, then the AAC makes more sense for Wichita State.
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By Sly Fox
#527927 I do agree that without football the AAC is not a particularly enticing possibility. The Big East would be a better fit even though they would be somewhat of an outlier as a state school in Midle America. Of course the watered down Mo Valley is still adeqaute for them to be a player on the national stage. I wouldn't be shocked to see Dayton invited into the Big East at some point.
By ATrain
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Sly Fox wrote:I do agree that without football the AAC is not a particularly enticing possibility. The Big East would be a better fit even though they would be somewhat of an outlier as a state school in Midle America. Of course the watered down Mo Valley is still adeqaute for them to be a player on the national stage. I wouldn't be shocked to see Dayton invited into the Big East at some point.


Maybe the Shockers go to the A-10 if Dayton leaves for the Big East? They'd be a good travel partner for St. Louis.
By ballcoach15
#527956 Non football schools mess up conferences they are in.....most of the time. If a conference has football, every member should be required to play. Put non football schools in their own conference.
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By adam42381
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ballcoach15 wrote:Non football schools mess up conferences they are in.....most of the time. If a conference has football, every member should be required to play. Put non football schools in their own conference.

So, where should Liberty go since they'll be non-Football in the Big South?
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By Purple Haize
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adam42381 wrote:
ballcoach15 wrote:Non football schools mess up conferences they are in.....most of the time. If a conference has football, every member should be required to play. Put non football schools in their own conference.

So, where should Liberty go since they'll be non-Football in the Big South?


Independent? :D
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By Purple Haize
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ballcoach15 wrote:But we do still have football.


But LU is not in the Big South any longer. So it is basically Longwood
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By adam42381
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ballcoach15 wrote:But we do still have football.

But, for the conference, it's the same thing as not fielding a team.
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By adam42381
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ballcoach15 wrote:Yes.

The first step is admitting you have a problem. Good job.
By ATrain
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cruzan_flame13 wrote:I guess we'll need a powerful basketball program to gain the attention from other conferences in the near future.


Or actual on-field football success...
By rogers3
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ballah09 wrote:Presbyterian isn't the only school in the Big South that could be dropping down. Gardner Webb might be joining them.

http://www.gardner-webb.edu/newscenter/?p=17569
http://www.gardner-webb.edu/newscenter/?p=17524

Big South is slowly dying.


Having been involved in similar struggles, I'd not read too much into GW's plan as a sure sign that they will drop out of D1. It might seem counterintuitive, but a good sports program is considered an asset as opposed to a drain.
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By VAGolf
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ballah09 wrote:Presbyterian isn't the only school in the Big South that could be dropping down. Gardner Webb might be joining them.

http://www.gardner-webb.edu/newscenter/?p=17569
http://www.gardner-webb.edu/newscenter/?p=17524

Big South is slowly dying.


The real loser in all of this is Kennesaw State
By cruzan_flame13
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ballcoach15 wrote:I wish LU AD could get us in the AAC. We would be better than WS.


I don't know about the other sports but WS has a great basketball program. I would love to be part of the AAC, but I don't think we've reached that recognition yet. We need to step it up in the main sports and stay in that position in order to even have the commissioner/school presidents to check us out. Plus they probably wouldn't want us because they believe that our academia is bologna.
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By Sly Fox
#529059 KSU will be just fine by the time any of this speculation comes to reality. They are now much more attractive to a number of leagues.
By ballah09
#529061 I agree but like always with budget issues sports is always on the list of cuts. Sports obviously hasn't helped Gardner Webb with their enrollment and retention issues. They probably have the worse location than any school I know off. Probably worse than Buies Creek. If they start cutting academic programs and firing faculty, which is what its starting to look like, then I can see a lot of alumni, students and faculty forcing the president's hand in a drop down.
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By SCAR
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ballcoach15 wrote:I wish LU AD could get us in the AAC. We would be better than WS.



Wichita is 10,0000000000000000000000000 times better than Liberty has ever been in basketball and is perceived as a MAJOR program. Creighton, Xavier, Butler, Wichita are all mid majors that routinely got at Large Bids. Now all of them except Wichita are in a Major conference. Gonzaga will be the only "mid major for now that is not in a major conference and I could see a move to the Pac 12 at some point at which time I don't see another mid major ever getting another at large bid. I count the AAC and the Atlantic 10 as Majors given that there are 32 conferences and these 2 hover around 7th and 8th depending on the year. 2016, A10 was 7th 2017 AAC was. My point is that there are still major program college basketball fans that can't tell you where Liberty is or what conference they play in or who is the coach or anything else. Trust me I know these things because I interact with college basketball coaches, former players, AD's and media members 6 months out of the year. Liberty needs to accomplish meaningful things on the playing surfaces for many years if they ever want to be taken seriously by a major conference. Non Power 5 is clearly the option that is realistic.
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By Sly Fox
#529141 I agree with Haize in this instance. If the Zags land in the Pac-Whatever, there would have to be teutonic shifts in the college sports landscape. Honestly I think we have about as good of a chance to be in AAC as the Zags have of gaining a Pac invite. But since neither is happening anytime soon, it is a moot point.
By cruzan_flame13
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Sly Fox wrote:I agree with Haize in this instance. If the Zags land in the Pac-Whatever, there would have to be teutonic shifts in the college sports landscape. Honestly I think we have about as good of a chance to be in AAC as the Zags have of gaining a Pac invite. But since neither is happening anytime soon, it is a moot point.


Is the Big East too much to ask for? I mean we can't compare with Villanova, Georgetown, Creighton, Seton Hall, etc. but our field hockey team is already there lol. I mean just think about how great that'll be especially when LU football progress as an independent. I mean it could work out quite well in the future. I found this article with a question/answer with the Big East commissioner: http://www.omaha.com/creighton/mens-bas ... 8fdf0.html


This is why I sent my response:
Q: Where do you stand on future expansion? Is the Big East done?

A: You’re always keeping your eyes and ears on what’s going on. Ten is a great number for us. We don’t have any immediate plans.

She didn't say yes, but she didn't say no either. Also, Hall of Famer Patrick Ewing is going to be the new head coach for Georgetown. That alone would be awesome to see Ewing and the Hoyas playing McKay and the Flames!

Another interesting article:https://www.google.com/amp/www.bigeastcoastbias.com/platform/amp/2017/2/10/14580088/big-east-coast-bias-expansion-roundtable-uconn-big-east

This caught my eye while reading it:
Padyk- "That point being, the school sizes and types of the schools that are in the Big East at this present time. At the moment the Big East is a conference of ten schools. All 10 schools are small private universities and colleges, and with the exception of Butler are of religious affiliation."

Realistically, we are a long shot but I have hope lol. Someone even suggested a southern school like VCU could join the conference if it would expand. I know we are not known like VCU, but why not give it a try. I mean we made the NCAA approve waiver to allow us to play FBS football, maybe there's a reasoning somewhere in which we could make an impact on the Big East as well as help boost the other schools too. Just a thought.
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By Purple Haize
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cruzan_flame13 wrote:
Sly Fox wrote:I agree with Haize in this instance. If the Zags land in the Pac-Whatever, there would have to be teutonic shifts in the college sports landscape. Honestly I think we have about as good of a chance to be in AAC as the Zags have of gaining a Pac invite. But since neither is happening anytime soon, it is a moot point.


Is the Big East too much to ask for? I mean we can't compare with Villanova, Georgetown, Creighton, Seton Hall, etc. but our field hockey team is already there lol. I mean just think about how great that'll be especially when LU football progress as an independent. I mean it could work out quite well in the future. I found this article with a question/answer with the Big East commissioner: http://www.omaha.com/creighton/mens-bas ... 8fdf0.html


This is why I sent my response:
Q: Where do you stand on future expansion? Is the Big East done?

A: You’re always keeping your eyes and ears on what’s going on. Ten is a great number for us. We don’t have any immediate plans.

She didn't say yes, but she didn't say no either. Also, Hall of Famer Patrick Ewing is going to be the new head coach for Georgetown. That alone would be awesome to see Ewing and the Hoyas playing McKay and the Flames!

Another interesting article:https://www.google.com/amp/www.bigeastcoastbias.com/platform/amp/2017/2/10/14580088/big-east-coast-bias-expansion-roundtable-uconn-big-east

This caught my eye while reading it:
Padyk- "That point being, the school sizes and types of the schools that are in the Big East at this present time. At the moment the Big East is a conference of ten schools. All 10 schools are small private universities and colleges, and with the exception of Butler are of religious affiliation."

Realistically, we are a long shot but I have hope lol. Someone even suggested a southern school like VCU could join the conference if it would expand. I know we are not known like VCU, but why not give it a try. I mean we made the NCAA approve waiver to allow us to play FBS football, maybe there's a reasoning somewhere in which we could make an impact on the Big East as well as help boost the other schools too. Just a thought.


You certainly have a fertile imagination. LU in the Big East. That will make me laugh all day. I needed that
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By TH Spangler
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Purple Haize wrote:You certainly have a fertile imagination. LU in the Big East. That will make me laugh all day. I needed that


Liberty making it to FBS within 10 years made you laugh :lol:
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By Purple Haize
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TH Spangler wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:You certainly have a fertile imagination. LU in the Big East. That will make me laugh all day. I needed that


Liberty making it to FBS within 10 years made you laugh :lol:


Not really. The College Athletic landscape was a lot different back then, but by hook or by crook LU was going to be FBS. The only way going Independent pays off is to end up in a Conference The Big East is not a football Conference. The fact that it tried to be was the catalyst for all you see now.
That's not even mentioning how inferior the on court product in or the geographical placement of LU.
What the post does show is the unrealistic expectations of the LU fan base At Large. A topic already discussed.
By ballcoach15
#529151 LU should have nothing to do with Big East. If my memory is correct it is a basketball only conference. We need a conference that has football, basketball , baseball, softball, volleyball, track and soccer.