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adam42381 wrote:It's hard to compare a multi-purpose domed stadium to a baseball field built in 1914. That's like saying Fenway is insignificant compared to the Superdome. Apples and oranges.I liked Fenway when I was there for a couple of games. I enjoy Wrigley more. But you are right, these would be the 2 stadiums to compare each other too. I hope they both stay up for a long long time
Purple Haize wrote:all losing memories.Sly Fox wrote:For the record, the Cubs averaged 32k in a 41k stadium. And keep in mind that the Astrodome was the home of not only the Astros but also the Oilers and Houston Cougars back in the Run & Shoot glory days.
Let's face it, Wrigley is a nice place to take your shirt off in the sun and pass some time. It is not exactly packed with great significant memories beyond Bartman for most of America.you are just looking at this years number. Up until the last 2 years they topped over 3 million annually for 8 years. It's also the only other ball park not named after a team that people automatically associate a team with (Fenway being the other)
Plus the Bears played there till 1970.
No significance? Ivy covered walls? The Bleachers? Harry Carey? Ernie Banks? Yeah, no one knows about those things.
And you are right it is a PERFECT place to take your shirt off in the sun and pass a beautiful sunny Chicago afternoon. Could you do that in the Astrodome.....without getting arrested?
Oh, don't forget Old Style
RubberMallet wrote:Not with enough Old Style!Purple Haize wrote:all losing memories.Sly Fox wrote:For the record, the Cubs averaged 32k in a 41k stadium. And keep in mind that the Astrodome was the home of not only the Astros but also the Oilers and Houston Cougars back in the Run & Shoot glory days.
Let's face it, Wrigley is a nice place to take your shirt off in the sun and pass some time. It is not exactly packed with great significant memories beyond Bartman for most of America.
Plus the Bears played there till 1970.
No significance? Ivy covered walls? The Bleachers? Harry Carey? Ernie Banks? Yeah, no one knows about those things.
And you are right it is a PERFECT place to take your shirt off in the sun and pass a beautiful sunny Chicago afternoon. Could you do that in the Astrodome.....without getting arrested?
Oh, don't forget Old Style
Sly Fox wrote:I am not even a fan of the Dome. I was among those supporting it being torn down. But that is not the point.Babe Ruth's called shot
Name the top 5 events at Wrigley and see how many would crack the top ten of the Astrodome. Good luck. Plenty of great times had by the fans but a ridiculously short list of significant moments. And yes, I will acknowledge 80-year-old football games since the question is open-ended since the non-football & non-baseball events at the Astrodome would also be in play.
RubberMallet wrote:glen allen hill's hr on top of the roofs was better than the homer in the gloamin.If new stadiums guaranteed success the Red Sox would never win a World Series and Miami would be back to back champs
still, none of those things matter enough to keep the house of embarrassing losing standing.
Purple Haize wrote:it has nothing to do with curses, or some aura of losing that emanates from the park. Its all about safety, modernization, and revenue. all of which have been crumbling the last few years. does a new park give us more of a chance of winning? not from an intangible side because all that is rubbish. (to parrot idiot hawk "the will to win") But from a revenue side absolutely. keep wrigley up. let kids run around the bases so their parents can ball like a baby, whatever. regardless of winning or losing, the wrigley experience is growing tired and sad. will winning change it? its possible but lets get real here. if we aren't going to put a winning product on the field, at least let me not pee in a trough and have more food choices than subpar pizza and hotdogs.RubberMallet wrote:glen allen hill's hr on top of the roofs was better than the homer in the gloamin.If new stadiums guaranteed success the Red Sox would never win a World Series and Miami would be back to back champs
still, none of those things matter enough to keep the house of embarrassing losing standing.
And Liberty would be in the playoffs
Purple Haize wrote:Peeing in a trough is totally part of the experienceyou can modernize what they have now, but to be honest, they are going to have to eventually tear down some of it because its literally falling apart. in the end you still have one of the smallest ball parks in mlb with one of the biggest fan bases....it doesn't make sense. the rooftop owners shot themselves in the foot. i couldn't care less to ever see a rooftop again. I'm happy with alot of the changes proposed so for now, i'm done waiving the torch.
There are ways they can 'Modernize' the experience with out it losing its charm. You are spot on about the food. They need a signature item ( I.e. Dodger Dog) They can also make several changes within the Stadium itself that don't involve tearing it down. The Big Video Board is a nice option but there has to be a way to do it that will keep SOME of the roof top seats, again, a great part of the experience. There are just a lot of things they CAN do to modernize the game day experience but my fear is ownership is so Gung-ho on trying to get a new stadium they won't do those things first. Its a goose and golden egg issue
RubberMallet wrote:Some is a lot different then all. But one thing is for sure if they make these changes and don't put a winner on the field it's going to get worsePurple Haize wrote:Peeing in a trough is totally part of the experienceyou can modernize what they have now, but to be honest, they are going to have to eventually tear down some of it because its literally falling apart. in the end you still have one of the smallest ball parks in mlb with one of the biggest fan bases....it doesn't make sense. the rooftop owners shot themselves in the foot. i couldn't care less to ever see a rooftop again. I'm happy with alot of the changes proposed so for now, i'm done waiving the torch.
There are ways they can 'Modernize' the experience with out it losing its charm. You are spot on about the food. They need a signature item ( I.e. Dodger Dog) They can also make several changes within the Stadium itself that don't involve tearing it down. The Big Video Board is a nice option but there has to be a way to do it that will keep SOME of the roof top seats, again, a great part of the experience. There are just a lot of things they CAN do to modernize the game day experience but my fear is ownership is so Gung-ho on trying to get a new stadium they won't do those things first. Its a goose and golden egg issue
most of the crying going on in the stadium is because of the miserable baseball team and 3rd world conditions not because your kid is running around the bases.
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