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By Sly Fox
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I have to say this comes as little surprise. Jeff has delivered in a huge way in Bloomington already.
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By Purple Haize
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Now if I could only warm up to their Head Coach.....what is that sound

Indiana, oh Indiana, Indiana We love you
Fight for the creme and crimson
Fight for what is true
Indiana oh Indiana Indiana We love you.
By A.G.
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Seems like Jeff is quite the wizard:
(from Andy Katz on ESPN)

IU seems to have nabbed Gordon
posted: Friday, October 13, 2006

Kelvin Sampson's best moves since he was hired at Indiana last March were to hire assistant Jeff Meyer, lean on his former USA Basketball assistant Dan Monson of Minnesota for advice, and stay persistent in trying to lure Eric Gordon to campus.

All of them may have led to Gordon's reported decision (according to TV and print reports in Indianapolis) to switch commitments Friday from Illinois to Indiana in one of the most heated and argued-over recruiting tussles in recent Big Ten history.

Gordon is a consensus top-five player in the class of 2007. If it weren't for the NBA draft rule preventing players from going directly out of high school, he'd probably be looking for a suit in June, rather than preparing to go through orientation on a college campus.

The stocky 6-foot-3 guard out of North Central High in Indianapolis committed to Illinois last season as a junior during the midst of the Illini's brilliant two-year run under guard Dee Brown (previously with mates Deron Williams and Luther Head) while IU was drifting toward an expected coaching change with the imminent departure of Mike Davis.

Once Davis was out and Sampson was in, though, everything changed. Sampson hired Meyer, a former Missouri and Butler assistant as well as a former head coach at Liberty. Meyer was close to the Gordon family from his time in Indianapolis.

According to Sampson and Meyer, they never initiated the recruitment of a committed player (they can't be quoted on Gordon per NCAA rules, but that's who they mean). They claim that the recruit's family initiated the contact. Still, Gordon never de-committed from Illinois, even though he reportedly went to Indiana twice and Notre Dame once for unofficial visits. Throughout the summer, Gordon told this Web site along with a number of other web outlets and local media in Chicago and Indianapolis, that he was going to Illinois.

Had he de-committed, this story wouldn't have been as sensational. Players de-commit a fair amount and although there are bitter feelings among coaches, if the player is honest and lets both sides know he is open to recruitment, then peace will prevail. This happened to Michigan, when Al Horford de-committed and eventually went to Florida and when Joe Crawford did the same thing and went to Kentucky.

Jerryd Bayless, a 6-3 guard in the class of 2007 from St. Mary's High in Phoenix, did de-commit to Arizona over the summer to explore other options, but then recommitted to the Wildcats. He flirted with Texas but stuck with his original commitment.

The difference with Gordon is that he is an Indiana player. He likely would have looked at his in-state school harder had there been stability in Bloomington. That's why Sampson went to Monson. When Monson got the Minnesota job, the top player in the state was Rick Rickert. Arizona landed his commitment, but Monson felt he was obligated to recruit Rickert, since he was an in-state star. Rickert was unlikely to commit to Minnesota during the Clem Haskins scandal, but once the situation calmed down, the Gophers became a viable option. Monson stayed with the recruitment and eventually got Rickert to come home, spurning Arizona.

That's the same thing Sampson had to deal with this summer, and hearing how Monson handled the situation put him at ease. He had to give Gordon a shot, since he was the top in-state talent.

Sampson's contention that he didn't initiate any recruitmen won't sooth the pain in Champaign. Illinois coach Bruce Weber was openly miffed when he saw Meyer sitting behind him watching Gordon at a game in Las Vegas this summer. Meyer went wherever Gordon did during the Big Time tournament last July. Sampson couldn't attend any of these tournaments since he was banned from off-campus recruiting, as well as from making phone calls, due to violations he committed while at Oklahoma from 2000-04.

The appearance of Indiana's recruiting a committed player irked Weber. The issue came up at the Big Ten meetings last spring. Michigan coach Tommy Amaker and Michigan State coach Tom Izzo, who saw committed player Eric Devendorf change his mind and go to Syracuse, were outspoken on the subject. National Association of Basketball Coaches associate director Reggie Minton wants to raise the issue on the ethics committee he chairs. Minton's committee admonished Sampson this summer for his violations while the president of the NABC, preventing him from receiving Final Four tickets for three years and from serving as an officer during that time.

Still, Minton said over the summer it would be hard to put punitive damages on recruiting a committed player. He's correct, since a player has every right to change his or her mind and commitments are given with words, not on paper. They are not binding in any sense of the word.

The school that gets burned, though, loses out on recruiting a player at that position. In Gordon's case, the Illini now must search for another combo guard and won't find one at his talent level at this late stage. Even though the signing period isn't until November, most of the top players are committed or close to committing by October. Losing a player of Gordon's stature can also have a domino effect if the Illini were recruiting other players with the hope of playing with him.

The anger coming from Champaign might also mean a nasty response from Illini fans whenever Gordon plays in Champaign. There is a chance, since Big Ten schedules aren't out for 2007-08, that he may not go to UI's Assembly Hall if the teams only play once.

Regardless, this is a major hit for Illinois and has severely damaged the relationship between Weber and Sampson as well as Indiana and Illinois. As for Indiana, Sampson has officially beaten the sanctions by landing possibly the top player in the class without ever going on the road or making a phone call. He also signed his top recruiting class at Oklahoma a year ago despite being banned from going out on the road over the summer because of self-imposed sanctions. That class eventually disbanded once Sampson left for IU and the Sooners hired VCU's Jeff Capel.

Sampson also may not be done. There's still a chance he could pull off even more of a coup if Gordon's friend and summer teammate, Derrick Rose, a 6-4 point from Chicago's Simeon High, were to choose Indiana. Rose's final five schools are Indiana, Memphis, DePaul, UCLA and Kansas. Memphis remains the leader but nothing is sacred in recruiting. Illinois was recruiting Rose, but didn't make the cut.

The two players talked about playing together over the summer but it was never a package deal. Now that Gordon appears to be heading to Indiana, there is the chance that the Hoosiers would land the top backcourt in the country, all the while with Sampson under a one-year ban from going on the road or making phone calls. Rarely has there been a coach who has been less hurt by an NCAA penalty directed specifically at him.
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By Sly Fox
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The biitter backlash in Illinois has already begun:
Gordon bounces Illinois
Star guard withdraws earlier commitment, chooses Indiana

October 14, 2006
BY HERB GOULD AND MICHAEL O'BRIEN Staff Reporters


CHAMPAIGN -- Bruce Weber no longer has his best recruit.

In a major setback for Illinois basketball, Indianapolis North Central shooting guard Eric Gordon withdrew his verbal commitment to Weber late Thursday and committed to Indiana.

''Both coaches are great,'' Gordon's father, Eric Gordon Sr., told the Indianapolis Star on Friday, indicating that Gordon, who could turn pro after one year of college, decided it would be simpler to stay close to home.

''This will be an easy transition from high school to college. If you say basketball is a wash and you look at the school, the location, everything, he's made the best decision. I have to say Indiana is the best place for him.''

Weber is barred by NCAA rules from commenting. But considering the way the Gordon situation unfolded, Friday the 13th shapes up as one of the darkest days in his four years at Illinois.

Ignoring the commitment Gordon gave to Weber last November after he was hired at Indiana in March, new IU coach Kelvin Sampson, who preached integrity when he was president of the National Association of Basketball Coaches, put a full-court press on the 6-4 guard, who is listed as the nation's No. 1 prospect by recruiting analyst Bob Gibbons.

''To lose the nation's No. 1 prospect is totally devastating to Illinois recruiting,'' Gibbons said. ''They had hoped to sign Eric Gordon and [Simeon's] Derrick Rose at one time. Now Illinois has lost them both. The impact is unfortunate because Bruce Weber is a good guy who does things the right way. All he could do was hope [Gordon] would stick to his word. So much for ethics.''

Among the tactics that raised eyebrows, Sampson hired Jeff Meyer, who was the elder Gordon's coach at Liberty University, as an assistant. Sampson, who was sanctioned for breaking NCAA rules at Oklahoma by making myriad recruiting phone contacts, also hired Travis Steele, a coach for the younger Gordon's AAU team, as a video coordinator.

This late defection leaves Illinois, which has recruited two big men and a point guard for the November signing period, scrambling for another shooting guard.

The chances of signing a fourth recruit are remote because at this point, all of the top prospects are taken.

Weber will take a lot of unfair heat from disappointed fans for again coming up short.

Players Illinois coveted but did not land include Julian Wright (Homewood-Flossmoor) and Sherron Collins (Crane), who both chose Kansas; Shaun Livingston (Peoria Central) and Jon Scheyer (Glenbrook North), who both chose Duke; Evan Turner (St. Joseph), who chose Ohio State, and the still-deciding Rose (Simeon), who didn't even put Illinois on his short list of five schools.

But considering that Gordon will be a short-termer in college, the greater damage involves the perception problem as well as missing out on other prospects because Gordon supposedly had committed.

''The only problem now is, he's going to have to answer a lot of questions,'' Gordon's father said. ''The Illinois fan base is going to be disappointed, and he's the kind of kid that's a pleaser, so that's going to be hard. That's one reason this decision was so tough. [But] he had to do what's best for himself.''

Saying the Gordon recruitment is the craziest situation he's seen in the 20 years he has been a recruiting analyst, Roy Schmidt of the Illinois Prep Bulls-Eye Report sympathized with the way the events unfolded.

''None of this was Weber's fault,'' Schmidt said. ''I don't care what school Eric Gordon chooses. This sends the wrong message when it comes to how to recruit any student-athlete. It says that verbal commitments are non-binding. It says you can go back on your word.''

One X factor in the Gordon recruitment was the departure of Mike Davis and the arrival of Sampson, who wasn't going to let a verbal commitment interfere with stopping the flow of prep stars to out-of-state schools. That group includes national prep player of the year Greg Oden and his Lawrence North teammate Mike Conley to Ohio State, Carmel's Josh McRoberts to Duke, Bloomington North's Sean May to North Carolina and Richmond's Dominic James to Marquette.

Weber is likely to take the high road in public encounters with the new Indiana coach.

But the Gordon episode is likely to turn up the heat on the Illinois-Indiana rivalry, which already has had its share of heated moments.

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