[flamesfilmguy]

Yea the texts are pretty bad. McCaw at least knew of one incident and said "it would be good if it were kept quiet" gotta love how the truth eventually comes out.

[Purple Haize]

Yea the texts are pretty bad. McCaw at least knew of one incident and said "it would be good if it were kept quiet" gotta love how the truth eventually comes out.

That's where I'm not clear. Is that the actual text response or is it just the guy saying this is what the response was?
If this was the actual response......

[Dalegarz1]

Very disappointing, to say the least. If it can be shown that this was McCaw's actual response, then he should be dismissed immediately!

[ballcoach15]

I think everyone in LU community should forget about Baylor and focus on moving LU forward to the point we rule Big South in football, basketball, baseball and softball and go to NCAA tournament most every year.

[flamehunter]

I think everyone in LU community should forget about Baylor and focus on moving LU forward to the point we rule Big South in football, basketball, baseball and softball and go to NCAA tournament most every year.

And I suppose you think it is OK to do that by whatever means necessary. If this is how McCaw actually responded that indicates complicity in cover-ups at the least. If that is the case, that is unacceptable and he should not be working at this school. Athletic excellence is great but we cannot compromise integrity and biblical values to get there.

[Purple Haize]

I think everyone in LU community should forget about Baylor and focus on moving LU forward to the point we rule Big South in football, basketball, baseball and softball and go to NCAA tournament most every year.

I don't understand your blind allegiance. At least Proto went to lunch with the guy. If he is cleared of wrong doing than forgetting about what happened at Baylor will be no problem. Until that time, it's probably not prudent. JR knew this hire would be controversial and didn't care. He's got all his eggs in this basket and is gambling nothing new (like this) comes out.

[Purple Haize]

I think everyone in LU community should forget about Baylor and focus on moving LU forward to the point we rule Big South in football, basketball, baseball and softball and go to NCAA tournament most every year.

And I suppose you think it is OK to do that by whatever means necessary. If this is how McCaw actually responded that indicates complicity in cover-ups at the least. If that is the case, that is unacceptable and he should not be working at this school. Athletic excellence is great but we cannot compromise integrity and biblical values to get there.

This is all about the ends justifying the means. It's impossible to see it any other way

[VAGolf]

I still don't understand we were in such a rush to hire him. What's the harm in letting this play out before pulling the trigger? The text between Briles and McCaw are absolutely disgusting.

[jinxy]

Def not good. Since he's already here I wouldn't dismiss yet. However if it was a pattern and more arise especially involving sexual assault then that would be the only move.

As im reading only one text is from mclaw so far correct? The difficulty is in believing that he had no idea what all his associate ad was doing.

[Purple Haize]

I still don't understand we were in such a rush to hire him. What's the harm in letting this play out before pulling the trigger? The text between Briles and McCaw are absolutely disgusting.

It's a gamble plain and simple. If he is cleared it looks like the steal of the century. He theoretically will be able to take LU to 'The Promised Land'
If he isn't cleared, LU and JR won't face anymore bad press than they already get so why should JR care?

[VAGolf]

I still don't understand we were in such a rush to hire him. What's the harm in letting this play out before pulling the trigger? The text between Briles and McCaw are absolutely disgusting.

It's a gamble plain and simple. If he is cleared it looks like the steal of the century. He theoretically will be able to take LU to 'The Promised Land'
If he isn't cleared, LU and JR won't face anymore bad press than they already get so why should JR care?

I don't see what he possesses that gets us to "the promised land." Everyone already knows who we are, we already have great facilities. The problem hasn't been with the AD, it's been with our school. Can he hire good coaches? I honestly have no idea. Besides his connection to Art Briles, what has he done? And it's not like he can bring Briles here. Wasn't Scott Drew already the basketball coach before McCaw took over?

You're wrong on this not generating more bad press than typical. Every time McCaw's name is mentioned in association with this, so will Liberty. This is a different kind of bad press. We typically get a bad rap for teaching creation and evolution simultaneously. Or we'll get negative publicity for buying a building and turning it into campus. THIS is different. This is fast tracking the hire of an AD who is currently being investigated for involvement with sexual assault cover-up. This will not only get the attention of people who already don't appreciate Liberty, this will grab the attention of prospective students and their families. We've had some bad PR in the past, but I'll venture to say that this will be the worst.

[thepostman]

And this is why i was so against the hire to begin with. It's just unbelievably naive to think this hire won't negatively effect how the outside world views LU and our athletics department.

Jerry does what he wants and has zero checks and balances so it is what it is.

Man I couldn't even last 2 months away from this place.

[Dalegarz1]

PH wrote: It's a gamble plain and simple. If he is cleared it looks like the steal of the century. He theoretically will be able to take LU to 'The Promised Land'
If he isn't cleared, LU and JR won't face anymore bad press than they already get so why should JR care?

JR should care because of absolute standards not the relative standard of enduring bad press!

[Purple Haize]

And this is why i was so against the hire to begin with. It's just unbelievably naive to think this hire won't negatively effect how the outside world views LU and our athletics department.

Jerry does what he wants and has zero checks and balances so it is what it is.

Man I couldn't even last 2 months away from this place.

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[Purple Haize]

I still don't understand we were in such a rush to hire him. What's the harm in letting this play out before pulling the trigger? The text between Briles and McCaw are absolutely disgusting.

It's a gamble plain and simple. If he is cleared it looks like the steal of the century. He theoretically will be able to take LU to 'The Promised Land'
If he isn't cleared, LU and JR won't face anymore bad press than they already get so why should JR care?

I don't see what he possesses that gets us to "the promised land." Everyone already knows who we are, we already have great facilities. The problem hasn't been with the AD, it's been with our school. Can he hire good coaches? I honestly have no idea. Besides his connection to Art Briles, what has he done? And it's not like he can bring Briles here. Wasn't Scott Drew already the basketball coach before McCaw took over?

You're wrong on this not generating more bad press than typical. Every time McCaw's name is mentioned in association with this, so will Liberty. This is a different kind of bad press. We typically get a bad rap for teaching creation and evolution simultaneously. Or we'll get negative publicity for buying a building and turning it into campus. THIS is different. This is fast tracking the hire of an AD who is currently being investigated for involvement with sexual assault cover-up. This will not only get the attention of people who already don't appreciate Liberty, this will grab the attention of prospective students and their families. We've had some bad PR in the past, but I'll venture to say that this will be the worst.

Why can't he bring Briles to LU? I'm operating under the assumption he will be the LU football coach for the 2018 season. McCaw has a very good track record at every stop. He's very good at his job. JR is gambling that those connections and relationships will translate into an invite into 'The Club'

[VAGolf]

He's had one "successful" run at Baylor and that's only because of Art Briles. Also, I wouldn't consider his time spent at Baylor a success. If the NCAA issues the death penalty (and they should), Baylor sports will completely fall apart. That's not successful.

If he brings Briles here, we can basically kiss any hopes of FBS away. We may not care how PR effects us but other conferences and schools absolutely do and will care.

Taking a gamble would be raising the pot before the turn while holding a 4 and 5 of clubs. This is more going all in with a 2 of spades and a 10 of diamonds in hand, and the table shows a 6, jack, and queen or hearts. That's not gambling, that's just stupid.

[prototype]

He's had one "successful" run at Baylor and that's only because of Art Briles. Also, I wouldn't consider his time spent at Baylor a success. If the NCAA issues the death penalty (and they should), Baylor sports will completely fall apart. That's not successful.

If he brings Briles here, we can basically kiss any hopes of FBS away. We may not care how PR effects us but other conferences and schools absolutely do and will care.

Taking a gamble would be raising the pot before the turn while holding a 4 and 5 of clubs. This is more going all in with a 2 of spades and a 10 of diamonds in hand, and the table shows a 6, jack, and queen or hearts. That's not gambling, that's just stupid.

Not if you opponents are showing weakness and they think you have pocket queens, or even better two Hearts and they think you just hit a flush...

[VAGolf]

He's had one "successful" run at Baylor and that's only because of Art Briles. Also, I wouldn't consider his time spent at Baylor a success. If the NCAA issues the death penalty (and they should), Baylor sports will completely fall apart. That's not successful.

If he brings Briles here, we can basically kiss any hopes of FBS away. We may not care how PR effects us but other conferences and schools absolutely do and will care.

Taking a gamble would be raising the pot before the turn while holding a 4 and 5 of clubs. This is more going all in with a 2 of spades and a 10 of diamonds in hand, and the table shows a 6, jack, and queen or hearts. That's not gambling, that's just stupid.

Not if you opponents are showing weakness and they think you have pocket queens, or even better two Hearts and they think you just hit a flush...

None of our opponents think that.

[walksports]

VAGolf: "Wasn't Scott Drew already the basketball coach before McCaw took over?"

Barely. Former men's basketball coached Dave Bliss and athletic director Tom Stanton resigned on August 8, 2003, per a USA Today story announcing Drew as the new head basketball coach.
Scott Drew was hired on August 22, 2003, according to his bio on the Baylor University website.
McCaw was hired on September 3, 2003, according to his bio that still exists on Baylor's athletic website, baylorbears.com.

(Former and now Houston Baptist University) President Robert Sloan, who appointed a six-member panel Aug. 12 to conduct the coaching search, reportedly spent most of Wednesday interviewing candidates in several cities, along with committee chairman Jim Turner and Baylor board chairman Drayton McLane. (Chicago Tribune, August 22, 2003).

[ballah09]

It was such a stupid hire to begin with. Makes you wonder why so quick. But as it's been stated. Jerry doesn't care. He only looks for his best interests. He doesn't care that alumni, students and professors have to get most of the heat from his selfish actions. If something like this doesn't get the stundent body upset and question Jr then they're bigger idiots than the board of regents.

Lastly unless he's banned from the NCAA or getting time he's not going anywhere. Jerrys part of Trumps new task force that deals with sexual assaults at universities. Better believe he's going to cover his jerk

[R i]

In a text Mccaw said" that would be great if they kept it quiet ".

In this text, the "they" refers to the Wacco PD , or that is how it is being reported, and the "it" refers to an assault allegation that no charges were going to be filed.

So Mccaw did not want the Police department to make a public statement about an allegation when there was no arrest made. Mccaw had no influence in the PD decision, and neither did Briles it appears. Yes it looks shady in the way that it is being reported, but if this is actually exactly how it went down, how would you have preferred Mccaw to respond in this specific text message? " Art, I am sorry to hear that a player has allegedly assaulted another individual, I understand that there are no arrests going to be made, but if the Wacco PD could please talk with the media about this and give our program and university a black eye, that would be great"

I am no Mccaw apologist, I just do not feel this text message, even if it happened exactly the way it is being reported is super incriminating and terms for termination.

I do not want to see LU sell their soul to win championships, as many have alluded to the Mccaw hiring as being such, but I also think this story is not a strong case that Mccaw was definitely a part of a large cover up.

[VAGolf]

VAGolf: "Wasn't Scott Drew already the basketball coach before McCaw took over?"

Barely. Former men's basketball coached Dave Bliss and athletic director Tom Stanton resigned on August 8, 2003, per a USA Today story announcing Drew as the new head basketball coach.
Scott Drew was hired on August 22, 2003, according to his bio on the Baylor University website.
McCaw was hired on September 3, 2003, according to his bio that still exists on Baylor's athletic website, baylorbears.com.

(Former and now Houston Baptist University) President Robert Sloan, who appointed a six-member panel Aug. 12 to conduct the coaching search, reportedly spent most of Wednesday interviewing candidates in several cities, along with committee chairman Jim Turner and Baylor board chairman Drayton McLane. (Chicago Tribune, August 22, 2003).

Yep. So, McCaw's only successful hire was Art Briles, who has actively participated in a sexual assault cover-up.

We rushed Jeff Barber out for this? There wasn't any other AD in the country to choose? Mickey Guridy wasn't capable enough to run the department while we waited for this to clear?

[walksports]

Baseball - Hired former Pepperdine HC Coach Steve Rodriguez before 2016 season. Rodriguez goes 24-29, school's fourth straight losing season which hadn't happened since 1907-1910. (Other three straight losing year streaks.)
Basketball Men - Scott Drew was hired on August 22, 2003, a couple of weeks before McCaw.
Cross Country Men - Long-time assistant Todd Harbour was elevated to the top spot on June 14, 2005 after legendary Clyde Hart retired as full-time head coach (still involved with the program to this day).
Golf Men - Greg Priest was named the 9th head coach on August 25, 2003 (before McCaw was hired). He left to be Tyler (Texas) ISD athletic director. Hired Mike McGraw on June 16, 2014 after three titles at Oklahoma State as HC and one as an assistant at Alabama. Guided team to first NCAA Championship berth in 2016 after a six-year absence.
Tennis Men - Current coach Matt Knoll had already been there since 1997, had reached the NCAA quarterfinals in the spring 2003 (before McCaw's hiring) and won the NCAA title in the spring 2004 (the first year of McCaw's watch as AD).
Track and Field Men - Harbour had been Hart's assistant track and field coach since January 2000.

Acrobatics & Tumbling - Hired Felecia Mulkey in June 2014 after she led Oregon to four consecutive National Collegiate Acrobatics & Tumbling Association (NCATA) national championships in five years. She produced back-to-back champions in 2015 and 2016 for Baylor.
Basketball Women - Kim Mulkey was hired on April 4, 2000 - three years before McCaw.
Cross Country Women - Harbour
Equestrian Women - McCaw started the program in 2005-2006 hiring Baylor alum Ellen White as its (and still only) head equestrian coach.
Golf Women - Jay Goble hired by McCaw before 2011-2012 season. He's currently in the middle of his sixth season at the helm. He replaced Sylvia Ferndon, who was the coach since 1994-1995 and retired after 17 years as head coach.
Soccer Women - George Van Linder was the coach when McCaw arrived. He lasted five years going 31-52-9. He hired the current coach's wife, Marci Jobson, who went 78-43-24 between 2008-2014, when her husband, Paul, now the head coach, was elevated to the top spot before last season when he went 9-6-4 in 2015 and 12-7-1 this past fall.
Softball - Glenn Moore was selected to guide Baylor in June 2000.
Tennis Women - Current coach Joey Scrivano was hired in July 2002.
Track and Field Women - Harbour
Volleyball - McCaw hired Jim Barnes before the 2004 season and he became the first winning coach in Baylor history, going 167-153 from 2004-2014, despite being 66-121 in tough conference play. Ryan McGuyre hired after the 2014 season by McCaw, went 17-13 in 2015 for the first winning season since 2012 and 22-12 this season for their first NCAA tournament appearance since 2011.

[Purple Haize]

In a text Mccaw said" that would be great if they kept it quiet ".

In this text, the "they" refers to the Wacco PD , or that is how it is being reported, and the "it" refers to an assault allegation that no charges were going to be filed.

So Mccaw did not want the Police department to make a public statement about an allegation when there was no arrest made. Mccaw had no influence in the PD decision, and neither did Briles it appears. Yes it looks shady in the way that it is being reported, but if this is actually exactly how it went down, how would you have preferred Mccaw to respond in this specific text message? " Art, I am sorry to hear that a player has allegedly assaulted another individual, I understand that there are no arrests going to be made, but if the Wacco PD could please talk with the media about this and give our program and university a black eye, that would be great"

I am no Mccaw apologist, I just do not feel this text message, even if it happened exactly the way it is being reported is super incriminating and terms for termination.

I do not want to see LU sell their soul to win championships, as many have alluded to the Mccaw hiring as being such, but I also think this story is not a strong case that Mccaw was definitely a part of a large cover up.

That's part of the reason I asked my original question. He obviously ducked his responsibility on the follow up but with this text there seems to be a lot of grey area. I'm sure LEO around here has provided the same courtesy in other instances for LU (although I would hope LU was less rapey than Baylor).

[ATrain]

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