[R i]

McCaw will be on the sportsline radio show this evening at 5:04. That will be 93.3 for those in the burg.

[olldflame]

McCaw will be on the sportsline radio show this evening at 5:04. That will be 93.3 for those in the burg.

I'm sure he will be asked, but I doubt he will say much about the sexual assault issues at Baylor, and rightly so with an ongoing investigation Hopefully they will also talk about his plans\vision for the Athletic Department and specifically the possibility of leaving the BSC

[olldflame]

Very Interesting what is happening in WACO.

There are 10,000 people that have signed up to support the "Bears for Leadership Reform". The group wants to "restore integrity to the world’s largest Baptist University.”

The leaders of this group met with Board of Regents, and are holding them to the fire for how they potentially passed the buck off on the athletic department.

That appears to be exactly what Kenneth Starr, Reagan Ramsower and the rest of the Baylor top brass did Someone here suggested JLFJR had disdain for title IX because he mentioned the work involved in implementing it That is not disdain Dislike maybe, but not disdain He did what was required to comply What the Baylor suits did was a show of clear disdain for the law and then when they finally realized how serious a matter it was, they tried to pin the blame for a school wide problem that was THEIR responsibility all on the shoulders of the Athletic Dept

[Purple Haize]

McCaw will be on the sportsline radio show this evening at 5:04. That will be 93.3 for those in the burg.

I'm sure he will be asked, but I doubt he will say much about the sexual assault issues at Baylor, and rightly so with an ongoing investigation Hopefully they will also talk about his plans\vision for the Athletic Department arnd specifically the possibility of leaving the BSC

This still amazes me. It shouldn't but it does. I doubt this would happen for a Prof in the English Department

[Purple Haize]

Very Interesting what is happening in WACO.

There are 10,000 people that have signed up to support the "Bears for Leadership Reform". The group wants to "restore integrity to the world’s largest Baptist University.”

The leaders of this group met with Board of Regents, and are holding them to the fire for how they potentially passed the buck off on the athletic department.

That appears to be exactly what Kenneth Starr, Reagan Ramsower and the rest of the Baylor top brass did Someone here suggested JLFJR had disdain for title IX because he mentioned the work involved in implementing it That is not disdain Dislike maybe, but not disdain He did what was required to comply What the Baylor suits did was a show of clear disdain for the law and then when they finally realized how serious a matter it was, they tried to pin the blame for a school wide problem that was THEIR responsibility all on the shoulders of the Athletic Dept

He was a part of that. He may end up being the guy designated to take the fall but he worked hand in hand with and was one of the Baylor suits

[Purple Haize]

McCaw will be on the sportsline radio show this evening at 5:04. That will be 93.3 for those in the burg.

Stupid Thought : he was surprised at the negative perceptions of his hiring
Good Thought : he said respect is earned so he will try to earn it

[willflop]

Very Interesting what is happening in WACO.

There are 10,000 people that have signed up to support the "Bears for Leadership Reform". The group wants to "restore integrity to the world’s largest Baptist University.”

The leaders of this group met with Board of Regents, and are holding them to the fire for how they potentially passed the buck off on the athletic department.

That appears to be exactly what Kenneth Starr, Reagan Ramsower and the rest of the Baylor top brass did Someone here suggested JLFJR had disdain for title IX because he mentioned the work involved in implementing it That is not disdain Dislike maybe, but not disdain He did what was required to comply What the Baylor suits did was a show of clear disdain for the law and then when they finally realized how serious a matter it was, they tried to pin the blame for a school wide problem that was THEIR responsibility all on the shoulders of the Athletic Dept

He was a part of that. He may end up being the guy designated to take the fall but he worked hand in hand with and was one of the Baylor suits

I'm sure he wore a suit, but what evidence are you referencing that demonstrates he worked hand in hand with Ramsover to supress IX implementation?

[Purple Haize]

I'm saying he was part of the Baylor Brass and the Baylor Administration. He knew there was a problem and if he didn't then that's a problem.

[willflop]

What specifically do you think he knew "when he knew there was a problem"? How would you describe the details of this knowledge?

[Purple Haize]

What specifically do you think he knew "when he knew there was a problem"? How would you describe the details of this knowledge?

Was my previous post confusing? He was part of the Baylor Administration. As a member of that Administration he had to know that there were inadequacies not just in his Department but Campus wide. If he was not aware of this, at least in his Department, then that is an issue in and of itself.
I do think that is the spin he and Liberty are trying to put on it with their 'Innocent By Stander' line. I.e He was not aware because people above him kept it super duper top secret. You can buy that if you want to.

[Equinox]

When asked about Baylor regents making selective comments to the press and Liberty’s investigation largely clearing McCaw, Bears for Leadership Reform leader and BU donor John Eddie Williams didn’t hesitate: “Absolutely, it creates some doubt and that’s why we have conflicting information, even between the coaches and select board members. We have conflicting information between what Liberty University has found and what Baylor has found and that gives rise to another reason why we believe that a strong, independent investigator looking at everything would help put this to rest

http://www.wacotrib.com/opinion/columns ... 69b53.html

[willflop]

What specifically do you think he knew "when he knew there was a problem"? How would you describe the details of this knowledge?

Was my previous post confusing? He was part of the Baylor Administration. As a member of that Administration he had to know that there were inadequacies not just in his Department but Campus wide. If he was not aware of this, at least in his Department, then that is an issue in and of itself.
I do think that is the spin he and Liberty are trying to put on it with their 'Innocent By Stander' line. I.e He was not aware because people above him kept it super duper top secret. You can buy that if you want to.

No, just speculative. "Knowledge of inadequacies" is really broad and undefined in relation to culpability. After having read the entire Internet, this vaguery is the best I can find elsewhere too, and it gives me pause before defaulting to the anti-JR narrative. Until you are specific, it's just more recycled media hit points.

[Purple Haize]

What specifically do you think he knew "when he knew there was a problem"? How would you describe the details of this knowledge?

Was my previous post confusing? He was part of the Baylor Administration. As a member of that Administration he had to know that there were inadequacies not just in his Department but Campus wide. If he was not aware of this, at least in his Department, then that is an issue in and of itself.
I do think that is the spin he and Liberty are trying to put on it with their 'Innocent By Stander' line. I.e He was not aware because people above him kept it super duper top secret. You can buy that if you want to.

No, just speculative. "Knowledge of inadequacies" is really broad and undefined in relation to culpability. After having read the entire Internet, this vaguery is the best I can find elsewhere too, and it gives me pause before defaulting to the anti-JR narrative. Until you are specific, it's just more recycled media hit points.

Well if you think Baylor was up to snuff on their Title IX office, I don't know what to tell you.

[ballcoach15]

I missed Sportsline on radio yeaterday. Did anyone hear it ?

I wonder did whoever conducting interview "focus on Baylor" or focus on his vision for LU

[Purple Haize]

I missed Sportsline on radio yeaterday. Did anyone hear it ?

I wonder did whoever conducting interview "focus on Baylor" or focus on his vision for LU

Both. I posted the audio link if you scroll up

[olldflame]

Let's talk about another high ranking Staffer at Baylor Purple
This person, like the AD, oversees programs with students who practice and perform for the public, some of whom are on scholarship to do so
Those students are on occasion victims of or participants in sexual assault
They have nice facilities, lots of employees and a budget, although not as large as the athletic budget

Is the head of the Fine Arts department culpable for the Title IX compliance problems

How about the people in charge of the schools of Business and Engineering

Perhaps more appropriate to ask, what about the Dean of Students and the HPIC of Campus Police and the University Counseling Center Those people have clearly defined responsibilities for the safety and welfare of the ENTIRE student body, not just one segment

Last and certainly not least is the Office of the President, who to the best of my knowledge bears the ultimate responsible to implement Title IX compliance in this area He can delegate the responsibility to whomever he chooses I suppose To the best of my knowledge it was JLFJR and his staff who did this at Liberty

Regardless of his level of awareness of the overall problem at Baylor, I would suggest that McCaw not only did not have the responsibility to correct them, he did not have any authority or resources to do so unless tasked by the President, which clearly was not the case

It has been suggested that he should have gone out on his own and put something in place just for athletes That is not only ridiculous IMHO, it would probably be illegal, and regardless of how well intentioned, would have opened a Pandora's box that would have made the Department look even worse This is a problem that is campus-wide, not just at Baylor but everywhere, and it must be addressed that way

[ballcoach15]

What many people don't understand is Title IX pertains to more than athletics. Many people think it's just a program to ensure girl's teams get same amount of support as boy's teams.

[olldflame]

What many people don't understand is Title IX pertains to more than athletics. Many people think it's just a program to ensure girl's teams get same amount of support as boy's teams.

That is probably correct where the general public is concerned, but I think I can safely say that those who have been discussing it here have a somewhat broader understanding of it

[Purple Haize]

Let's talk about another high ranking Staffer at Baylor Purple
This person, like the AD, oversees programs with students who practice and perform for the public, some of whom are on scholarship to do so
Those students are on occasion victims of or participants in sexual assault
They have nice facilities, lots of employees and a budget, although not as large as the athletic budget

Is the head of the Fine Arts department culpable for the Title IX compliance problems

How about the people in charge of the schools of Business and Engineering

Perhaps more appropriate to ask, what about the Dean of Students and the HPIC of Campus Police and the University Counseling Center Those people have clearly defined responsibilities for the safety and welfare of the ENTIRE student body, not just one segment

Last and certainly not least is the Office of the President, who to the best of my knowledge bears the ultimate responsible to implement Title IX compliance in this area He can delegate the responsibility to whomever he chooses I suppose To the best of my knowledge it was JLFJR and his staff who did this at Liberty

Regardless of his level of awareness of the overall problem at Baylor, I would suggest that McCaw not only did not have the responsibility to correct them, he did not have any authority or resources to do so unless tasked by the President, which clearly was not the case

It has been suggested that he should have gone out on his own and put something in place just for athletes That is not only ridiculous IMHO, it would probably be illegal, and regardless of how well intentioned, would have opened a Pandora's box that would have made the Department look even worse This is a problem that is campus-wide, not just at Baylor but everywhere, and it must be addressed that way

I would hope say at the Dean level, certainly the VP Level they should be aware. If a Prof in the English Department came up to their Dean of whatever School/College and said one of the students in their Class said they were gang raped by students in the Philosophy and Religion Department. Then the Dean from the School of Engineering had a Professor say they had a student claim to be gang raped by students in the School of Religion and Philosophy, I bet they would look into the ways to handle it. (DISCLAIMER: I don't know how the Schools or Colleges of Baylor or structured, I'm just throwing out majors). The point being, someone as high up in the Administration as McCaw would and should certainly know that there were Title IX Office deficiencies. In fact, given the nature of Athletics and Title IX in general, an AD would be more sensitive to it then the Dean of the School of Widgets. Granted Title IX has grown to encompass a lot more than Athletics, but Athletics is most sensitive to it.
In no post have I ever said McCaw is the only one to blame. In fact, I stated as much to Proto before he resorted to his inner pre schooler. There is plenty of blame to spread. But, LU did not hire the head of Baylor Campus Security. LU did not hire Ken Starr. LU did not hire someone from the Waco PD. LU hired McCaw. So he gets those questions.

To circle back around to your point about culpability and to tie it in to something YACHT said, it got me thinking. Let's say we give him a pass on gang rape report #1. At any time during or after that incident did he look around and say, 'I wonder if we handled that correctly? I wonder if there is a better way to handle this. Gee, I wonder how other schools handle this. I wonder if the NCAA has any guidance on this'. To me, those would be good questions to ask. Maybe he did and was shut down. Maybe he didn't. But what does my opinion matter.

[Purple Haize]

What many people don't understand is Title IX pertains to more than athletics. Many people think it's just a program to ensure girl's teams get same amount of support as boy's teams.

Wrong. Thank you for playing, we have lovely departing gifts for you. Try playing the Title IX home game using The Google

[ballcoach15]

I think everyone in LU community should forget about Baylor and focus on LU and the future. We need to improve in all sports, and take it to the next level. We need to make NCAA tournament most every year in every sport.

[Purple Haize]

I think everyone in LU community should forget about Baylor and focus on LU and the future. We need to improve in all sports, and take it to the next level. We need to make NCAA tournament most every year in every sport.

What's that statement about doomed to repeating the mistakes of the past?

[olldflame]

I still am not clear what it is you think McCaw should have done Purple Not in regard to the specific incidents being "investigated" (who is conducting this investigation anyway ) but rather in terms of the big picture There is no evidence he had any authority to change anything in terms of the system or the slowness in implementing Title IX procedures Should he have challenged his boss and threatened to raised a fuss publicly

[Purple Haize]

I still am not clear what it is you think McCaw should have done Purple Not in regard to the specific incidents being "investigated" (who is conducting this investigation anyway ) but rather in terms of the big picture There is no evidence he had any authority to change anything in terms of the system or the slowness in implementing Title IX procedures Should he have challenged his boss and threatened to raised a fuss publicly

He was part of the Administration. What if anything did he do to rectify the situation? He most certainly had the position and motivation to make everyone else in the Administration aware.
Maybe I am more of a problem solver than most. Perhaps like Vanilla Ice when I see a problem yo I'll solve it instead of checking out the hook while my DJ revolves it!
I've said this from the beginning What did he do to change the culture? What did he do to address the deficiencies? Is there a paper trail of Memo after memo from his office saying 'Hey, this is a problem that needs to be addressed' that is being ignored? Do we have any insight into what the Compliance and Title IX people were like within the Athletic Department? Was he doing all he could to get up to speed? Whenever someone broaches the subject we hear about how great the facilities at BUnare, how much money he raised and how many Championships he helped win. Which is an admirable pivot and exactly what I'd do in their position. But it doesn't answer the question and makes it appear they are hiding something

[rmiller1959]

An interesting article in the Washington Post on the McCaw hire:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/c ... 5156c79c94

If you interpret the sequence of events as I did, they've been eyeing this man since the Baylor situation broke and began their due diligence at that time, to include hiring an outside law firm in much the same manner as Baylor hired Pepper Hamilton for their investigation. The length of time they've been working on this, and the fact it wasn't just the university's internal leadership or staff doing the vetting, eases my mind a bit.

The article is actually a good insight into the mind of the front office. It's almost as if they were waiting for a valued stock to drop in price before buying it, anticipating that it would eventually deliver a significant return on their investment.

I'd love to hear what others think after reading the article. It's quite captivating and well written.