[Cider Jim]

Come on, Purple--can you just provide a LINK for us old guys to click on?

[Purple Haize]

Come on, Purple--can you just provide a LINK for us old guys to click on?

We are friends on FB I put it there
I don't know how to take it from there to here
I'm not as old as you but give me credit for what I DID do!!!

[flameshaw]

I believe the name of this bored (spelling intentional), should be changed to "A Sea of Red Helicopters", or a "Sea of Snowflakes". There are many here that are butt-hurt because they still owe on their student loans and think LU should forgive them because we have the money, were fired or laid off from LU or ticked because Jerry personally endorsed The Trumpster for president, etc. Most have never played any sport at a D1 level, or any level for that matter, and think they know how a premier athlete, president, CEO and or coach thinks. (sorry you don't).
It is a funny, entertaining read though. Anyone notice there are many, many less active posters on the board these days? Might want to ask yourself why, think about it. Fight On.

[Jonathan Carone]

Carry on, I'm back to self-imposed silence.

[Cider Jim]

Can somebody younger than Purple and me figure out how to post a radio audio link here?
I looked at Purple's FB page, but it says his last posting was Oct. 7.

[Purple Haize]

Can somebody younger than Purple and me figure out how to post a radio audio link here?
I looked at Purple's FB page, but it says his last posting was Oct. 7.

What? I posted about the passing of the inventor of the Big Mac just today!! I tagged you on it. I at least know how to do that. !!

[Purple Haize]

I believe the name of this bored (spelling intentional), should be changed to "A Sea of Red Helicopters", or a "Sea of Snowflakes". There are many here that are butt-hurt because they still owe on their student loans and think LU should forgive them because we have the money, were fired or laid off from LU or ticked because Jerry personally endorsed The Trumpster for president, etc. Most have never played any sport at a D1 level, or any level for that matter, and think they know how a premier athlete, president, CEO and or coach thinks. (sorry you don't).
It is a funny, entertaining read though. Anyone notice there are many, many less active posters on the board these days? Might want to ask yourself why, think about it. Fight On.

Project much? This thread has pretty much been on the AD hire with 1 or 2 bringing up Trump. Apparently your ADHD meds aren't working
If being a Snowflake equates to thinking covering up GANG RAPE is bad than I'm a #!@& blizzard

[Wvflame2013]

I believe the name of this bored (spelling intentional), should be changed to "A Sea of Red Helicopters", or a "Sea of Snowflakes". There are many here that are butt-hurt because they still owe on their student loans and think LU should forgive them because we have the money, were fired or laid off from LU or ticked because Jerry personally endorsed The Trumpster for president, etc. Most have never played any sport at a D1 level, or any level for that matter, and think they know how a premier athlete, president, CEO and or coach thinks. (sorry you don't).
It is a funny, entertaining read though. Anyone notice there are many, many less active posters on the board these days? Might want to ask yourself why, think about it. Fight On.

Know quite a bit of former (LU) athletes who are upset with this hire. It's a forum where we can freely express our minds about our university, sorry this forum is not a snowflake safe place.

[Jonathan Carone]

That post was nothing more than passive aggressive digs at those of us who think or believe differently than him. It's par for the course. Take it for what it is and move on.

[Purple Haize]

That post was nothing more than passive aggressive digs at those of us who think or believe differently than him. It's par for the course. Take it for what it is and move on.

You're right. I'll put him in the Pro Gang Rape column

[thepostman]

I believe the name of this bored (spelling intentional), should be changed to "A Sea of Red Helicopters", or a "Sea of Snowflakes". There are many here that are butt-hurt because they still owe on their student loans and think LU should forgive them because we have the money, were fired or laid off from LU or ticked because Jerry personally endorsed The Trumpster for president, etc. Most have never played any sport at a D1 level, or any level for that matter, and think they know how a premier athlete, president, CEO and or coach thinks. (sorry you don't).
It is a funny, entertaining read though. Anyone notice there are many, many less active posters on the board these days? Might want to ask yourself why, think about it. Fight On.

You're wrong on so many levels here. You're blind allegiance is what gets so many Christian ministries into trouble.

[flamesfilmguy]

I believe the name of this bored (spelling intentional), should be changed to "A Sea of Red Helicopters", or a "Sea of Snowflakes". There are many here that are butt-hurt because they still owe on their student loans and think LU should forgive them because we have the money, were fired or laid off from LU or ticked because Jerry personally endorsed The Trumpster for president, etc. Most have never played any sport at a D1 level, or any level for that matter, and think they know how a premier athlete, president, CEO and or coach thinks. (sorry you don't).
It is a funny, entertaining read though. Anyone notice there are many, many less active posters on the board these days? Might want to ask yourself why, think about it. Fight On.

HA! This is laughable.
1. I happen to be lucky enough to have went through school without a dime in loans.
2. you may be right that some of us never played D1 athletics. but a lot of us worked/STILL work in division 1 athletics and absolutely know how coaches, admin, and presidents think because we deal with them on a daily basis. This actually sounds like a veiled dig at some other posters. but I'll move on.
3. NOTHING about this would have been acceptable at any other university but because of the admins lack of checks and balances its been completely allowed.
4. Some of us "inactive posters" have real jobs that take up a lot of our posting time. a lot of us are married and even have kids. Sorry to burst your bubble.
5. I find it funny that you assume you know how D1 athletics is supposed to work, If memory serves me right when you were an athlete it wasn't in D1 either and things have changed a whole lot since then.
Finally, Some of us worked hard to help Liberty get to where it is today and are completely shocked at how the admin continues to figuratively burn the place to the ground. I know you are a Jerry Kool-aide drinker. I was too for a long time. But at some point instead of throwing on the rose colored glasses and look at this objectively. I'd love for you to show me where any of us "special snowflakes" want liberty to pay our loans of for us other than a joke (pretty sure i know who that dig was at) or tell us special snowflakes how Admin and coaches think at the D1 level since us millennial whipper snappers don't understand how this all works?(for the record I'm gen x.)
I know this is the older generations attitude towards people my age but believe it or not some of us work hard for what we have and don't want to see the place that was a big part of our success as people go down the crapper. /Rant

[ballcoach15]

I just dream of the day when headlines read:

LIBERTY WINS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP

[Purple Haize]

I just dream of the day when headlines read:

LIBERTY WINS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP

No matter the cost?

[Jonathan Carone]

I've had friends and even family members ask me why I'm so critical of some of the things the school and/or Jerry does. They wonder why I care so much about a school that I still owe thousands of dollars to. Many of my friends have gotten their degree and moved on and don't think much about the school anymore.

My wife sent me this picture this morning:



That's my seven-week-old son laying on a Liberty blanket. She didn't realize the symbolism in it or anything but it stuck out to me.

I'm so passionate about speaking out when I see things that aren't what they're supposed to be because I want Liberty University to still be what it was when I went there when he's 18-years-old and looking for colleges to go to. I would love for his life to be impacted by Liberty University in the same way that many of ours was. Decisions like this AD hiring scare me because I don't want us to go the route of Baylor where we chase athletic success at the expense of who we are as a school. I'd rather be a great FCS school and still have our morals and beliefs than do many of the things Baylor has done over the past 20 years to get to where they are today. Success isn't worth that.

Call me a snowflake.

Take passive aggressive digs at me.

Think whatever you want to think about me.

I'm honestly okay with it.

I wish I could stop caring about this school and give up on it the way so many others have but I simply can't, even if it's a fight that I will never win.

[Purple Haize]

JON - you're an alum. You SHOULD care. All Alum should care. Your Alma Mater is a reflection of you and your choices. For better or worse. I've spent untold thousands of dollars and time and effort with mine because I want people to have a good opinion of it. People in this part of the world have never heard of it but it's goal is not to be a National University. I REALLY wish some things would change but I am glad they have not strayed from their core principles
What you feel is right and natural and should not change.

[JK37]

The more I think about this, the more I realize the only way McCaw can claim "Innocent Bystander" status is if Baylor University did not properly educate him on the laws connected with Title IX and sexual assault.

If you work at a University, chances are in the last three years you have heard more, read more, and been educated more on sexual assault than one ever could have predicted. This is not just because the statistics show a dramatic spike in cases, but because the current administration's response has been to ramp up Title IX legislation.

It is a FACT that every federally-funded college or university must have a Title IX committee headed by a Title IX coordinator, with representatives from faculty, staff, athletics and residence life. It is also a fact that any person who is informed of a possible sexual assault/Title IX violation is required BY LAW to report it to one of the committee representatives. (By the way, it is also a part of the law that the victim may not be punished for any facts he/she reveals during testimony of the incident. In other words, an underage student may not be punished for admitting to underage drinking if such an admission is made during testimony of a sexual assault.)

Two things jump out to me:
1) Baylor was informed by the federal government, like all colleges were. They waited TWO YEARS to hire a Title IX coordinator.
2) Ian McCaw was informed of a Title IX violation, and talked to - of all people! - the football coach about it. What the heck?! His first move - BY LAW - is to report it to the Title IX coordinator. The volleyball coach was also wrong to be telling the AD.

This has become much more of a Black-and-White area in recent years with the government's crack-down on this. The only plea Ian McCaw can make, in my estimation, is a plea of ignorance. As in, "at the time of my being informed of the incident in question, my employer has not properly educated me on the government-mandated process for reporting. I have since become educated, and am fully aware of the proper procedure for reporting and/or investigating such occurrences."

In the Baylor case, it was the institution who is found to be most culpable, and it was the President who took a hard fall - the football coach and AD acted negligently, but it may be argued that they didn't know any better. It's a weak case, I know. And it still doesn't alleviate the need to address it now with this new hire.

[JK37]

Flameshaw,

I am an alum, I love my University. I defended JJ's endorsement of Trump to many of my peers; I even voted for Trump personally. My wife and I combined still owe over $50k in student loans from our time at Liberty. Despite recent disappointments and disagreements, I still deeply LOVE my alma mater. Instead of digging at those asking questions, you should focus your attention on those who resist the the opportunity to answer and clear the air. If there is nothing wrong, why not take the questions head-on? If everything is perfectly fine and on the up-and-up, why hide?

Elite leaders welcome questions and resistance, because they have vetted things so thoroughly that they know their actions can stand up to scrutiny.

Unchecked an unaccountable leadership is not elite. History's best leaders aggressively sought feedback and accountability. I see none of that here. That scares me.

But I remain in wait-and-see mode regarding this most recent hire. I sincerely hope Mr. McCaw partners with JJ and the leadership to take LU to new and amazing heights.

[willflop]

The more I think about this, the more I realize the only way McCaw can claim "Innocent Bystander" status is if Baylor University did not properly educate him on the laws connected with Title IX and sexual assault.

Without going all-in either way, this is exactly how I read the "Findings of Fact" document. It goes on and on like the snippets below. The argument seemed to be from the top down, an overall systemic issue.

https://www.baylor.edu/rtsv/doc.php/266596.pdf

Baylor failed to effectively implement Title IX in the wake of the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights (OCR) April 4, 2011 “Dear Colleague Letter,” the passage of the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013 (VAWA), and related authority and guidance. While individual administrators identified emerging and evolving Title IX and VAWA requirements, the University as a whole failed to prioritize Title IX implementation. Implementation efforts were slow, ad hoc, diffuse, and uncoordinated...

Senior leadership failed to recognize the significance of the national context, including evolving guidance from OCR and high profile examples of institutional failures at peer institutions. As a result, Baylor lacked the sufficient infrastructure and an informed policy...

The administration instead relied upon existing personnel until November 2014, and existing processes (the Student Code of Conduct and Civil Rights Policy) until August 2015, when Baylor’s Sex Discrimination, Sexual Violence, and Sexual Harassment Policy was adopted...

The administrators tasked with implementing Title IX prior to November of 2014 had a limited understanding of the dynamics of sexual violence and existing barriers to reporting on Baylor’s campus, including the impact of other campus policies regarding the prohibition of alcohol and extra-marital sexual intercourse...

The insufficient dedication of resources and support to the University’s Title IX function led to limited visibility of Title IX on campus...

Prior to the 2014-2015 academic year, Baylor failed to provide training and education to students; failed to identify and train responsible employees under Title IX; failed to provide clear information about reporting options and resources on campus; failed to have a centralized process for ensuring that all reports reached the Title IX Coordinator;...

Prior to November 2014, the Title IX Coordinator position was assigned to senior administrators, each of whom already had a full profile of professional responsibilities. The administrators in those roles lacked the necessary training, experience and frame of reference to meaningfully implement Title IX responsibilities. They also lacked the necessary time, resources or infrastructure to meaningfully implement Title IX responsibilities. Moreover, when the University hired a full-time Title IX Coordinator in November 2014, the University underestimated the level of infrastructure and resources that would be necessary for successful implementation...

[JK37]

Exactly. Common sense almost doesn't apply here. Old-school common sense would say, "Let me inform the coach of the program of the allegations, and let him decide what to do." But that is no longer right, and I've argued for years AD's shouldn't keep allowing coaches to build walls around their programs, as "Kings of their Kingdoms" so to speak.

[walksports]

Found this interesting from yesterday at the Dallas Morning News web site --
http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college ... rying-pull

Matt Mosley, contributor to SportsDayDFW.com and columnist for Texas Monthly, answered questions in a Tuesday chat. Here are some highlights.

Were you surprised to see Ian McCaw get a new job less than a month after Baylor regents accused him of not reporting a gang rape involving football players to the appropriate authorities?

Matt Mosley: Yes, I was a little surprised by that. I've known Ian for a long time. I had a hard time believing that he would in any way cover up something as awful as that. I guess whatever he told Liberty satisfied them in regards to the scandal. You know they had to vet him on that topic. He must've been pretty convincing. I talked to Ian yesterday via text. He'll do a good job.

Mosley's Twitter bio is as follows: FORMER host on ESPN Dallas, columnist for http://DallasNews.com and http://TexasMonthly.com , proud Baylor alum, husband, father, uncle (added the bold for emphasis on the Baylor part of the bio)

[Purple Haize]

The more I think about this, the more I realize the only way McCaw can claim "Innocent Bystander" status is if Baylor University did not properly educate him on the laws connected with Title IX and sexual assault.

Without going all-in either way, this is exactly how I read the "Findings of Fact" document. It goes on and on like the snippets below. The argument seemed to be from the top down, an overall systemic issue.

https://www.baylor.edu/rtsv/doc.php/266596.pdf

Baylor failed to effectively implement Title IX in the wake of the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights (OCR) April 4, 2011 “Dear Colleague Letter,” the passage of the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013 (VAWA), and related authority and guidance. While individual administrators identified emerging and evolving Title IX and VAWA requirements, the University as a whole failed to prioritize Title IX implementation. Implementation efforts were slow, ad hoc, diffuse, and uncoordinated...

Senior leadership failed to recognize the significance of the national context, including evolving guidance from OCR and high profile examples of institutional failures at peer institutions. As a result, Baylor lacked the sufficient infrastructure and an informed policy...

The administration instead relied upon existing personnel until November 2014, and existing processes (the Student Code of Conduct and Civil Rights Policy) until August 2015, when Baylor’s Sex Discrimination, Sexual Violence, and Sexual Harassment Policy was adopted...

The administrators tasked with implementing Title IX prior to November of 2014 had a limited understanding of the dynamics of sexual violence and existing barriers to reporting on Baylor’s campus, including the impact of other campus policies regarding the prohibition of alcohol and extra-marital sexual intercourse...

The insufficient dedication of resources and support to the University’s Title IX function led to limited visibility of Title IX on campus...

Prior to the 2014-2015 academic year, Baylor failed to provide training and education to students; failed to identify and train responsible employees under Title IX; failed to provide clear information about reporting options and resources on campus; failed to have a centralized process for ensuring that all reports reached the Title IX Coordinator;...

Prior to November 2014, the Title IX Coordinator position was assigned to senior administrators, each of whom already had a full profile of professional responsibilities. The administrators in those roles lacked the necessary training, experience and frame of reference to meaningfully implement Title IX responsibilities. They also lacked the necessary time, resources or infrastructure to meaningfully implement Title IX responsibilities. Moreover, when the University hired a full-time Title IX Coordinator in November 2014, the University underestimated the level of infrastructure and resources that would be necessary for successful implementation...

At least SOMEONE read the findings.

[Purple Haize]

Flat out best interview I've heard yet on the whole thing. I'm usually very skeptical and dismissive of these types of individuals but she is 180 different than what I expected ( I also think she was who Bob Let interviewed). She lays out pretty much my feelings on the subject but in a much better more researched less reactionary way. (See CIDER I even figured this out!)

[ballcoach15]

Most people think Title IX just involves giving women equal number of teams as men at the schools. They are unaware of all the other stuff. It's almost as if every athletic department needs a lawyer in house.

But everyone associated with LU in any way, needs to get behind the new AD and support him, as he embarks on his new job. He just might be the one to lead us to the Promised Land in the NCAA.

[Jonathan Carone]

But everyone associated with LU in any way, needs to get behind the new AD and support him, as he embarks on his new job.

I know it's just ballcoach who said this, but this is a line of thinking that permeates through Liberty that is simply unhealthy.

I support Liberty University the institution, not the individuals who make up the institution.