[cruzan_flame13]

I don't quite get what is going on here anymore.

Well sir/ma'am, I guess (from the other's perspective) that it's not quite sufficient to have both a Christian school and a growing productive athletic program. Now they are not totally against it, yet it is a concern. I agree with that, but I was just pointing out that it is possible to have both and that athletics can still be use for a ministry(even when they make moves for higher competition). I agree, Baylor gave us a glimpse of what can happen when you focus a lot more on athletics, however that doesn't mean that it will occur at Liberty. At least we can all agree that we don't want that at all. Nonetheless, is it so bad for the late Falwell, Jr., leadership and athletics to want to be as good as Notre Dame, Baylor and other top schools in sports? As long as Liberty doe not go a full 180, then I'm in favor. Some folks already believe we've reach that point; I disagree but not fully ignoring their concerns.

[cruzan_flame13]

I am far from a Grammar Nazi but I can't follow 1/2 of what you are saying I'll make my fair share of grammatical mistakes but I'm struggling trying to follow your thought process. Which is saying something

To you it is; using typical vocabulary.

[cruzan_flame13]

Mr. Carone, so basically you're stating that God directing our paths and having plans for us (or in this case the school) is magical? Also what I'm stating is clearly in the Word (proverbs 16:9). Just like Senior hoped, Junior has planned his way to expand the school and the athletic program. Of course God is involved in this; since He's involved in everything. Hopefully it doesn't turn out to be selfishness and pride. This isn't magic sir; everything that is done has happen based on free will. Still God is still in the picture whether you believe it or not.

[Jonathan Carone]

Does God allow his people to make bad decisions and then suffer the consequences of those decisions?

[cruzan_flame13]

Does God allow his people to make bad decisions and then suffer the consequences of those decisions?

Are you 100% sure that these decisions were entirely bad? Also we have free will and the decisions do lead to consequences. Is it God that allowed it or our sin? God's not a tyrant.

[Jonathan Carone]

I didn't say they were bad. But if it's possible for God to allow Christians to make mistakes then we can't blindly follow and champion every decision without first thinking through it critically.

[Purple Haize]

I didn't say they were bad. But if it's possible for God to allow Christians to make mistakes then we can't blindly follow and champion every decision without first thinking through it critically.

Apparently JR sits at the right hand of the Righf Hand of God. Ergo all decisions are correct and achieving the highest level of athletic success is all that matter. David is a greatly admired Biblical figure and he had someone killed so he could sleep with his wife. LUnhas a long way to go to equal THAT so LU is still more righteous than David

[cruzan_flame13]

No bad decisions come from God, but by our fleshly desires. You are saying it's not bad yet you are going around in circles but are not going to just spit it out. If it's not bad, why would you respond that way? Are you saying that the decisions that are made are bad? We can observe the decision and discus it, however you and I are not sure what this decision would lead to. Of course folks will just see this as McCaw being a bad person and Falwell taking the opportunity for his agenda. Yet it doesn't matter fully what we think of the situation since McCaw is not guilty of anything and Falwell wanted to be eligible for a FBS conference for a long time. I'll just leave it at that.

[Jonathan Carone]

Jerry has made really good decisions and questionable/bad decisions. It's unknown whether or not this is a good decision or not. By all accounts McCaw is a good dude but it's still possible he was involved in some form at Baylor. We don't know yet. I'm not going to blindly accept it as a great decision and trust Jerry on it because he said so.

[Purple Haize]

Jerry has made really good decisions and questionable/bad decisions. It's unknown whether or not this is a good decision or not. By all accounts McCaw is a good dude but it's still possible he was involved in some form at Baylor. We don't know yet. I'm not going to blindly accept it as a great decision and trust Jerry on it because he said so.

Which makes you a Pharisee, I think

[cruzan_flame13]

I didn't say they were bad. But if it's possible for God to allow Christians to make mistakes then we can't blindly follow and champion every decision without first thinking through it critically.

Apparently JR sits at the right hand of the Righf Hand of God. Ergo all decisions are correct and achieving the highest level of athletic success is all that matter. David is a greatly admired Biblical figure and he had someone killed so he could sleep with his wife. LUnhas a long way to go to equal THAT so LU is still more righteous than David

I guess Falwell had it all in his plan since for ever to put football before God. Based on some decision that folks do not consider; that is the case apparently. Well I don't read Falwell's mind so I'm not going to state that your comment is factual. At the end of the day, God is still going to be glorified and everything He (not Falwell or anyone else I'm referring to)does is good.

[cruzan_flame13]

Jerry has made really good decisions and questionable/bad decisions. It's unknown whether or not this is a good decision or not. By all accounts McCaw is a good dude but it's still possible he was involved in some form at Baylor. We don't know yet. I'm not going to blindly accept it as a great decision and trust Jerry on it because he said so.

That's not wrong either but he's not guilty of anything as of right now. As you stated, we don't know yet. But just by the issue, folks are already jumping to conclusion. Lets see where it leads but I wouldn't say it's wrong to him with no sentence. If he has a lot of involvement in the case, then he should get the consequences.

[Purple Haize]

I didn't say they were bad. But if it's possible for God to allow Christians to make mistakes then we can't blindly follow and champion every decision without first thinking through it critically.

Apparently JR sits at the right hand of the Righf Hand of God. Ergo all decisions are correct and achieving the highest level of athletic success is all that matter. David is a greatly admired Biblical figure and he had someone killed so he could sleep with his wife. LUnhas a long way to go to equal THAT so LU is still more righteous than David

I guess Falwell had it all in his plan since for ever to put football before God. Based on some decision that folks do not consider; that is the case apparently. Well I don't read Falwell's mind so I'm not going to state that your comment is factual. At the end of the day, God is still going to be glorified and everything He (not Falwell or anyone else I'm referring to)does is good.

This issue is you are conflating what you see as Gods plans and Falwell's plans They may not be one in the same

[cruzan_flame13]

Jerry has made really good decisions and questionable/bad decisions. It's unknown whether or not this is a good decision or not. By all accounts McCaw is a good dude but it's still possible he was involved in some form at Baylor. We don't know yet. I'm not going to blindly accept it as a great decision and trust Jerry on it because he said so.

Which makes you a Pharisee, I think

Far fetched from my statement to someone else who compared the Freedom tower to Babel. So Christian institutions can't have towers now?

[cruzan_flame13]

@purple haize


Comments turned from is to maybe. Ministries are established from every fields as I'm sure you would agree. From now on we should stick with "maybe." The fact that we've never had the responsibilities of being a President of a school should make us just ask questions and not conclude opinions as facts. Well that's what this forum is for anyways. I'll let you and the others do what y'all was doing and I'll pop in to know some info on some players since I haven't been watching liberty sports(sports in general) until recently.

[Purple Haize]

@purple haize


Comments turned from is to maybe. Ministries are established from every fields as I'm sure you would agree. From now on we should stick with "maybe." The fact that we've never had the responsibilities of being a President of a school should make us just ask questions and not conclude opinions as facts. Well that's what this forum is for anyways. I'll let you and the others do what y'all was doing and I'll pop in to know some info on some players since I haven't been watching liberty sports(sports in general) until recently.

Pop in all you want. We love debate around here. It helps sharpen our positions. Who knows, hearing from other people might help make everyone smarter!

[adam42381]

I feel dumber after reading this thread.

[Purple Haize]

I feel dumber after reading this thread.

WOW I'm not even sure that is pedagogically possible with you!!

[alabama24]

I don't know that it's possible to have great FBS success in football while still maintaining who we are as a school.

I don't know what you mean by "success." Admittedly I don't follow much outside of Alabama & the SEC, and my definition of "success" might be skewed a bit. Lol

From the few glimpses I get of BYU, I would not call their football team a "success" on the field, but they certainly provide great visibility to the school. In all honesty, none of us would know anything about BYU except for their football team. In that respect, the program is a great success. To me, we need our football program to become that... (And we can't be that at the FCS level).

[TH Spangler]

cruzan_flame1 if you are going to hang around here you have to figure out who's who and learn how to read between the lines, it takes a while. Most posters fall into one or two categories. Disgruntled former employee or compulsive troll. I'm in the later, but on the glass half full side . I've learned to like them all. JB's the man though, you can always trust him. The main site is very good. Jon and Duke do a great job. Thanks for posting!

[Purple Haize]

cruzan_flame1 if you are going to hang around here you have to figure out who's who and learn how to read between the lines, it takes a while. Most posters fall into one or two categories. Disgruntled former employee or compulsive troll. I'm in the later, but on the glass half full side . I've learned to like them all. JB's the man though, you can always trust him. The main site is very good. Jon and Duke do a great job. Thanks for posting!

I look at you as more of a disgruntled troll.....

[thepostman]

Dude's been around less than a week and he is already tapping out on his first debate?

That's weak.

[Purple Haize]

Dude's been around less than a week and he is already tapping out on his first debate?

That's weak.

Tell me about it. He finds that people disagree with his position and runs to his safe spot. He will probably enlist in the Air Force or something

[thepostman]

Probably so. Then he wouldn't appreciate my whit and say I was being mean.

[Purple Haize]

Probably so. Then he wouldn't appreciate my whit and say I was being mean.

well the 'safe space' during basic wil be helpful