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By jcmanson
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Blessed1 wrote: As much as I hate the Gators and Tim Tebow, I loved it when Tebow said he wanted to finish what he started and that he loves UF's coaches and fans. He said he "owed" it to them to stay for his final year. I have to respect a man that shows that type of integrity.
:nod

I loved his interview that was on SC this morning. He kept throwing the loyalty word around. Something some certain someone hasn't apparently heard of...
By paradox
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Blessed1 wrote:
paradox wrote:This discussion really shouldn't even be about the big south. I think it's bigger than that. I think that we can all appreciate the frustration involved with having a great season and then not getting into the dance. This is life if you're in a low mid-major conference. Take Winthrop for example. They lost at the buzzer to Tennessee three years ago, but just barely got to the dance after a razor thin win against Coastal in the big south final. The next year Winthrop actually knocked off Notre Dame. But do they even get to the dance if they lose to VMI in the big south final. The VMI game came down to the final play.

We can take this a little closer to home and look at what Steph Curry accomplished last year, almost making it to the final four. Would Steph Curry even be Steph Curry the potential NBA lottery pick without that performance? What if they didn't get in? Who would he be then? Just look at what happened in the southern conference this year: Davidson has another great year, gets knocked out by a good Charleston team, who in turn gets upset by a bad Chattanooga team, and Chattanooga goes to the dance and gets blown away. If you're a Curry with three years of eligibility left and Coack K want s you over at Duke. You're gonna take that opportunity. Nothing against the big south, southern, or even the CAA. It's just a far greater opportunity. And let's face it, if you're Duke, you always go dancing in march.
I agree with you on most of your points, but the Seth Curry thing. Folks are hurt because he didn't stick things out. Who knows, he could've had a "one shining moment" like his big bro. Even if it was only for one year, the NCAA tourny helped Steph reach that national level. I believe most of us here envisioned LU making the tourny at least 2 times while Seth was here. But you know what.....

As much as I hate the Gators and Tim Tebow, I loved it when Tebow said he wanted to finish what he started and that he loves UF's coaches and fans. He said he "owed" it to them to stay for his final year. I have to respect a man that shows that type of integrity.

Yes, but Tim Tebow is competing for national championships on the highest level. Seth on the other hand was going to be the main focus of every big south team for the next three years. Slip up once, like Davidson did this year, and you don't even get in. Tebow and the Gators on the other hand, can have an off day or two and still end up in the title game.

We actually signed Seth in Nov '07. That was at least four months prior to Steph's magical run in the tourney. Had Seth waited until the later signing period, he could have gone ACC then. He did honor his initial commitment and play here for a year, which when it's all said and done did help our program. I think that we benefitted in many ways, including gaining both Sanders brothers.

One more thing, there's no shame in losing a player to an ACC school. And if it turns out to be Duke or UNC, then how can we say that we can blame him? Practically every kid on the east coast, if not the country, would play for one of those two schools if they had the opportunity. And I'm sure that many kids growing up in Florida dream about playing for the Gators, like Tebow.
By 4everfsu
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Please Timmy stayed because he knew he would not be drafted high, even drafted as a QB
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By Sly Fox
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4everfsu wrote:Please Timmy stayed because he knew he would not be drafted high, even drafted as a QB
Says the Seminoles fan. :lol:

Moving this thread from Mens Hoops to the more appropriate general sports forum.
By 4everfsu
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Well I guess when Mel Kiper was asked by Timmy if he would go high on the draft as a QB and Mel really did not say anything, that settled it for Timmy. If you think Timmy is going to play QB in the NFL think again.

http://www.collegefootballtalk.com/2008 ... n-the-nfl/
By Blessed1
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4everfsu wrote:Please Timmy stayed because he knew he would not be drafted high, even drafted as a QB
I know, I know...But still he turned down "higher competition" and an obvious six-figured NFL paycheck to stay at UF.
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By flames1971
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treyjman24 wrote:I also think that we're going to see alot more players leave starting today... i just want all ya'll to know that i'm calling this... Brolin, Seth,... who's names is next...
I don't even want to guess..................
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By g-webb1994
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Maximus wrote:
ToTheLeft wrote:
Maximus wrote:Can we make up our own league?
The Protestant League
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Liberty
Oral Roberts
Baylor
Anderson, SC
Anderson, IN
North Greenville
Gardner Webb
Chuck South

No Presby?


No, they are Calvinists, they are predestined to lose! :rofl
By JK37
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ToTheLeft wrote:
FlameNForest wrote:
SuperJon wrote:Some of you people just don't get it. I'm sorry to play the "I know more than you" card but it's the truth.
:rofl :rofl

In 38 years, we have gone from not existing to the Big South. In those same years, schools that have been around for decades longer have moved up from the SoCon to the ACC and Big East. This stuff takes time. You can't build something overnight. Building a program, and moving up in the ladder of respect, takes decades, not recruiting classes.


Tell that to Elon. They weren't even in the Big South for a decade. They went from DII to the stepping stone Big South to the Southern. I've heard some around here say the Southern is no better than the Big South and not a step up, but these people are delusional.
How is the Southern better? Maybe at football, but anything else and we're just moving laterally. In baseball, it would be a step down. Wouldn't help our women's basketball team at all. The world doesn't revolve around football, I think you really need to consider that.

And Elon isn't doing all that well in anything but football (and probably baseball, last time I checked they had a decent team...), and they still aren't going to be winning a football championship anytime soon.
In point of fact, a move to the SoCon WOULD help the women's basketball. SoCon had 4 teams finish in top 100 RPI this season. Every BSC team besides LU finished below 240!

But I know that will not affect any conference change.

Btw, football IS everything around which conference realignment revolves.
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By RagingTireFire
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FlameNForest wrote: Yeah, and when was the last time the SC took an a DII team?
Yeah, I'm late to the thread. Whatever.

Since you asked, this is the last time these Southern Conference teams took on DII's:
  • Appalachian State 48, Lenoir-Rhyne 7.... 9-8-07 (App went on to win their 3rd consecutive national championship)

    Citadel 54, Webber Int'l 7.... 8-30-08 (that's slightly misleading since Webber is actually an NAIA program)

    Elon 59, WV Wesleyan 16 .... 9-8-07

    Furman 62, Mars Hill 14 .... 8-30-08

    Georgia Sou. 45, W. Georgia 21 .... 9-8-07

    Samford 62, Faulkner 0 .... 9-6-08 (also an NAIA program)

    UT-Chattanooga 47, Cumberland (TN) 6 .... 9-6-08 (also NAIA which I guess is better since UTC lost to a D2 school in '07)

    Western Carolina 35, Shorter 0 .... 8-28-08 (again, NAIA)

    Wofford 38, Georgetown (KY) 21 .... 9-1-07 (again, NAIA -- a good NAIA but NAIA nonetheless)
By Stevev
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I think he is talking about the Southern accepting new members from Division 2 not playing division 2.

While I am on it at least all of the wins that I see are convincing wins. Not true when the Big South plays the lower conference teams.
By ATrain
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g-webb1994 wrote:
Maximus wrote:
ToTheLeft wrote: The Protestant League
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Liberty
Oral Roberts
Baylor
Anderson, SC
Anderson, IN
North Greenville
Gardner Webb
Chuck South

No Presby?


No, they are Calvinists, they are predestined to lose! :rofl
True, but if we're doing a Protestant league, we should include Wake Forest and Palm Beach Atlantic
By SuperJon
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JK37 wrote:Btw, football IS everything around which conference realignment revolves.
Most of the time I agree with you on that point. However, look at the CAA. It may not be football or basketball that breaks that league up. It may be the fact that women's tennis has to travel from UMass to Georgia St to play or something like that. It could be the olympic sports that end up tearing apart that conference, and I can only hope they do.
By FlameNForest
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Stevev wrote:I think he is talking about the Southern accepting new members from Division 2 not playing division 2.
Yeah...that.

The point is the Southern, while maybe not a huge step is, is at least not just an entry-level stepping stone conference.
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By RagingTireFire
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Stevev wrote:I think he is talking about the Southern accepting new members from Division 2 not playing division 2.
Point taken. The answer to that would be Wofford in 1997. Incidentally, Wofford's move to D1 is what Presby has modelled a great deal of their move upon.
By Stevev
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From what I know Wofford was division 2 then was an independent for a few years before being accepted in the Southern Conference. I believe the Big South was after them pretty hard but since the Southern came calling I guess Woffords decision on what conference to join was very simple.
By Stevev
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Here are my reasons for wanting to leave the Big South

1. womens hoops continue to get screwed in the seeds. It happened his year, last year, and every year even if we are nationally ranked or close to it, or knock off a ranked team we get no higher than a 12 when you think that an 8 or 9 seed would be more appropriate. Last year we got bumped back in the seedings due to some late season injuries and this year we had numerous injuries, including Megan, early in the year, played Auburn tough and then get shafted and then have to play a powerful Louisville team right off the bat. We can't win.

2. Not making the playoffs after successive 8-3 and 10-2 seasons in football. Normally teams with those records get in especially this year since we knocked off Elon the #14 ranked team this year and then got left out of the playoffs.

3. Curry and Floyd transferring, It is hard to keep great athletes in a conference such as this.They bolt due to the low ranking and low seedings in the tournament. We also had numerous verbals in football which backed out and I am wondering if our conference had anything to do with it.

Right now I think that our won/ loss records in most sports would warrant at the least the administration seriously inquire on other conferences. We have been in this conference too long now and it is high time to make a move.
By SuperJon
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Stevev wrote: 3. Curry and Floyd transferring, It is hard to keep great athletes in a conference such as this.They bolt due to the low ranking and low seedings in the tournament. We also had numerous verbals in football which backed out and I am wondering if our conference had anything to do with it.
Floyd had nothing to do with the conference at all. Period.
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By RagingTireFire
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Wofford was always headed to the SoCon. They were independent for 2 years -- as is the standard -- before moving into that conference. Any thought that the Big South could have gotten Wofford at that time is a pipe dream.
By ATrain
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SuperJon wrote:
JK37 wrote:Btw, football IS everything around which conference realignment revolves.
Most of the time I agree with you on that point. However, look at the CAA. It may not be football or basketball that breaks that league up. It may be the fact that women's tennis has to travel from UMass to Georgia St to play or something like that. It could be the olympic sports that end up tearing apart that conference, and I can only hope they do.
UMass is in the A10 for other sports, its a football-only member. And women's tennis wouldn't travel all the way to Georgia State, that conference sets up round robin tournaments its league members to play matches at a central location so no one loses a lot of dates or has to travel that much.
By SuperJon
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ATrain wrote:
SuperJon wrote:
JK37 wrote:Btw, football IS everything around which conference realignment revolves.
Most of the time I agree with you on that point. However, look at the CAA. It may not be football or basketball that breaks that league up. It may be the fact that women's tennis has to travel from UMass to Georgia St to play or something like that. It could be the olympic sports that end up tearing apart that conference, and I can only hope they do.
UMass is in the A10 for other sports, its a football-only member. And women's tennis wouldn't travel all the way to Georgia State, that conference sets up round robin tournaments its league members to play matches at a central location so no one loses a lot of dates or has to travel that much.
You got the point though. I'm not going to look up who is an affiliate or whatever. That conference is so spread out that a lot of the sports can't handle the travel. A three game series in baseball between UNCW and Drexel is quite the travel expense.

Add what's going on at Fordham to this whole mess and everything's starting to come together.
By Stevev
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The Colonial conference has been taking on a more Northernly exposure these days to tap into the Big City markets of Boston, Philly, and Baltimore from what I heard. The downside of that is, as you stated, More travel.
By ATrain
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SuperJon wrote:
ATrain wrote:
SuperJon wrote: Most of the time I agree with you on that point. However, look at the CAA. It may not be football or basketball that breaks that league up. It may be the fact that women's tennis has to travel from UMass to Georgia St to play or something like that. It could be the olympic sports that end up tearing apart that conference, and I can only hope they do.
UMass is in the A10 for other sports, its a football-only member. And women's tennis wouldn't travel all the way to Georgia State, that conference sets up round robin tournaments its league members to play matches at a central location so no one loses a lot of dates or has to travel that much.
You got the point though. I'm not going to look up who is an affiliate or whatever. That conference is so spread out that a lot of the sports can't handle the travel. A three game series in baseball between UNCW and Drexel is quite the travel expense.

Add what's going on at Fordham to this whole mess and everything's starting to come together.
What is going on at Fordham?
By SuperJon
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They gave the Patriot League an ultimatum - add scholarships for football or we're leaving after this season.
By markymark550
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SuperJon wrote:You got the point though. I'm not going to look up who is an affiliate or whatever. That conference is so spread out that a lot of the sports can't handle the travel. A three game series in baseball between UNCW and Drexel is quite the travel expense.

Add what's going on at Fordham to this whole mess and everything's starting to come together.
Yeah, I've heard rumors from time to time about UNC-W wanting out of the CAA because of the travel. They along with Georgia State are the two southern-most outliers and really get the short end of it concerning travel. Wouldn't surprise me if Ga State felt the same as UNC-W.
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