- October 8th, 2019, 11:24 pm
Dude, no need to go 0 to 60 in two posts. The "punch in the face" was what they call an "analogy". It was also pretty clear it was in jest. If you notice it was an act painting me in a bad light. I'm sure your super tuff. I'm sure you would destroy me unless the seal & combat training kicked in. Then perhaps i would stand a chance. Either way, there is no need to pound your keyboard chest like you are responding to ball coach. You go way overboard on him as well btw.
You jumped to several conclusions... some u jumped to even after i spelled things out for you. Others you made assumptions on.
I never said there were players complaining behind the scenes. Never once did i indicate that as a source or reason for my conclusions. It's probably safe to assume there are. Fairly natural given the situation. But i referred to none of that.
I merely stated an interesting observation on one particular players reaction, who from a talent standpoint, Liberty would be extremely fortunate to get. The comment regarding he kmows players in the program was directed at him knowing the quality of the program... not him hearing complaints.
You keep falling back on, "well sorry he didn't think your son was good enough to recruit". Wrong conclusiom. Not the case at all. My son was strung along so that he had to pass on other opportunities as the staff continued to drag him along. The #1 recruit line (positionally) was used. The we will call you on Monday with the final decision. The don't commit anywhere else until we speak. The Monday calls would turn into 3 weeks later... when you had already told other coaches you would have a decision in a few days. The straight forward communication from a recruit that says... "i can't waste anymore time, if you are not interested let me move on"... always drug on. A high school recruit has a very small window to research and vet potential landing spots. All other schools, regardless of level, respected his time as a potential recruit. My alma mater, used his time, then gave him a line that they could have given him 6 months earlier (which was basically, we can't make a call until we know if player x is using his last year of eligibility) and allowed him to move on.
You like to say the... "hey, this is the story all across the ncaa landscape". That's your go to? That's like saying, "it's nothing personal, it's just business" should be the go to whenever a christian business person makes a shady deal. I call cowplop. I also mentioned the uncanny correlatiom we found between successful programs and how they trrated you in the process.
You like to say you are going off your one personal experience. No, incorrect. I told you when the hire was made, i was given red flaggs by former competitors on the other side of the field. Nothing personal. Nothing integrity wise. I am sure he is a fine man. I've actually sat in conversation with his best friend, whom i know to be a high quality human being. So i am not taking character shots. I am convinced he is a good guy.
I am saying there is not a long record of actuall success. You shrugged off my Rick Reeves example... your rebuttle was, "he rose to the top of a stack of quality candidates". Well so did Mel H and the awful selection of Ken Karcher. His career numbers parallel that of Rick Reeves right now. It's not meant to be a shot personallyat Rick Reeves.. or Mel H... or Ken Karcher (but he was truly awful).
It also isn't a personal shot at Kelly F., but i will scream it from the rooftop that how recruits, potential recruits, etc are treated is foundational for great sovcer programs. We did not see that with Liberty. It doesn't mean they meant to be, or are shady etc. It does mean that there was a clear difference between both staffs and top programs at all levels. The only reason my son stuck with them was his great desire to be there. Like I told you... Liberty was well down my list. Unfortunately, my son saw Liberty as the perfect fit for him.
Other schools, you knew right where you stood in real time. Not Liberty.
Throwing the "whole program" under the bus? You make that sound like it's some large company or institutiom. Liberty Men's Soccer is 3 people... that is the program, plus players and support staff. But those 3 people set the pace. It's not like throwing the whole school under the bus because of Junior (however Junior doesn't seem to take into account the entirety of the Liberty family everytime he tweets).
Bottom line. Your friend won't have the success he wants, if our experience is the norm. Those experience impact pockets of people that ultimately can impact his program.
Want examples? Our son ended up at a program whose suvcess is almost unparalleled in sports. The coaching tree that has grown out of the program has it's roots everywhere. Their reputatiom is such that players who went to other institutions wish they could have gone there... and recommend them over their alma maters. Their former players, who are elsewhere coaching, will tell you, "We would love you... but if you can go there, go there."
There are 8 or 9 players on my sons team that have national team appearances. That's not to brag... but it is to qualify the sphere of influence we reside in. If Liberty was recruiting one of them, they will naturally ask us our thoughts. They have all seen me in my Liberty gear. What do you think I am going to say? Do you know how important hearing these experiences were in my sons decision? He literally said no to full rides (not very common in soccer) to be apart of it. I also coach high school (no big deal... but u do interact with top players outside the DA in your half of the state) and pretty much every youth in our family are collegiate athletes of some sport (my two nieces actuall compete against Liberty for two different ASun schools. In other words... i am not some Dad screaming on the sidelines of your local FC Rustburg clash on Sunday afternoon.
Bottom line. If you want your friend to ultimately win... it starts with the experience that everyone has with his program. Perhaps we were the exception... perhaps. But if we are not... expect more 4-1 losses to UMBC, 3 nil drops at NJIT, home losses to IW, and dog fights agaimst that year in year out power known as VMI.
If you don't have time to do something right, when will you have time to do it over?