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By LUAlum1215
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BJWilliams wrote:He certainly has risen through the ranks quickly...and proven himself to be very competitive at every level from the K&N Series all the way up to where he is now in contention for the Xfinity Series title. With Hendrick backing him, I would not be surprised to see him becoming competitive very quickly in the Cup series


HMS always has solid equipment no doubt, but they've historically had problems maintaining 4 solid performing teams over the course of the season. Since the Chase/Playoffs were created in 2004, HMS has only put all four teams in the playoffs 3 times (12-14). In 2013, NASCAR put the 24 in the Chase as a rule change because of an on track issue at Richmond that cost him points needed to qualify for the playoffs. Even the years prior to the Chase in 2004, they never had 4 solid teams. 24/48 were usually good but the 5 was hit or miss and at the time 25 struggled.

I say that to say this- obviously I hope WB does well along with the rest of the camp. But their history paired with 2 brand new drivers in the building and 1 who has yet to win may come with some growing pains. I wouldn't be surprised if it takes him a year or two to win but he will certainly be capable of doing it sooner.
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By LUAlum1215
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oldflame wrote:For the record, while it is certainly still a huge chunk of change, the going rate for sponsorship of a cup team is quite a bit less than it was just a few years ago. The money is just not out there like it used to be. There will likely be teams trying to compete next year with as little as 10 mil. Of course they are not Hendrick Motorsports teams, but with a young driver who will work relatively "cheap", I think it's safe to say the budget for the 5 car will be a good bit less than last year.


Agreed. Sponsors are paying less money but also getting fewer races on the cars. There's really no way to know, publicly, what a race costs to sponsor but it's definitely less than in recent years. As Dale Jr said last week, the cost to operate the team has gone up so that money has to come from somewhere which is why young guys are getting better rides over proven vets- they cost less.
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By LUAlum1215
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Purple Haize wrote:I'm actually surprised LU isn't a BIGGER sponsor


Typical sponsors are trying to sell their product. The same can be said for LU but it's more of a recruitment tool for prospective students. Each branch of the military used to sponsor a car at one point in time or another. The most recent was the Ntional Guard sponsoring Dale Jr. They decided to leave for a lot of reasons but cited the fact that for the years they sponsored the car (7 years I believe) they did not have a single person who actually joined that cited the sponsorship of the team or any involvement in motor sports as having any impact on their decision to join. Several organizations have sponsored teams as recruitment strategies but with little success. Doesn't seem to be the case with Liberty.
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By Class of 20Something
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LUAlum1215 wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:I'm actually surprised LU isn't a BIGGER sponsor


Typical sponsors are trying to sell their product. The same can be said for LU but it's more of a recruitment tool for prospective students. Each branch of the military used to sponsor a car at one point in time or another. The most recent was the Ntional Guard sponsoring Dale Jr. They decided to leave for a lot of reasons but cited the fact that for the years they sponsored the car (7 years I believe) they did not have a single person who actually joined that cited the sponsorship of the team or any involvement in motor sports as having any impact on their decision to join. Several organizations have sponsored teams as recruitment strategies but with little success. Doesn't seem to be the case with Liberty.


Liberty is fighting for brand recognition right now. I think it might be a more subtle angle.
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By Purple Haize
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Class of 20Something wrote:
LUAlum1215 wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:I'm actually surprised LU isn't a BIGGER sponsor


Typical sponsors are trying to sell their product. The same can be said for LU but it's more of a recruitment tool for prospective students. Each branch of the military used to sponsor a car at one point in time or another. The most recent was the Ntional Guard sponsoring Dale Jr. They decided to leave for a lot of reasons but cited the fact that for the years they sponsored the car (7 years I believe) they did not have a single person who actually joined that cited the sponsorship of the team or any involvement in motor sports as having any impact on their decision to join. Several organizations have sponsored teams as recruitment strategies but with little success. Doesn't seem to be the case with Liberty.


Liberty is fighting for brand recognition right now. I think it might be a more subtle angle.


This. Liberty can get in front of a whole lot of eyeballs for about what they pay for Football. You might make the argument a better ROI
By ballcoach15
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ballcoach15 wrote:Kahane should be out of #5 car. A wasted seat in my opinion. With Hendricks' connection to LU, I think there's a good chance for Byron to get a Cup ride. Be good PR for LU to sponsor a Cup car, even as an associate sponsor.



I had planned to scale back following NASCAR after Earnhardt's final Talladega race in October. Now with Byron getting the 5 car, I will stick around.

I predict he will win a race in 2018.
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By Class of 20Something
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ballcoach15 wrote:Kahane should be out of #5 car. A wasted seat in my opinion. With Hendricks' connection to LU, I think there's a good chance for Byron to get a Cup ride. Be good PR for LU to sponsor a Cup car, even as an associate sponsor.


26 April 2017.

Bravo BC15. Correct on all counts.
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By LUAlum1215
#535520 HMS is renumbering two of the Cup teams next year. Byron will drive the 24 while Chase Elliott will drive the 9. I'm surprised to see the 5 taken off the track as that is the number HMS first started with and has had on track since the team started in 1984.
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By LUminary
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LUAlum1215 wrote:HMS is renumbering two of the Cup teams next year. Byron will drive the 24 while Chase Elliott will drive the 9. I'm surprised to see the 5 taken off the track as that is the number HMS first started with and has had on track since the team started in 1984.


https://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/news/nascar-hendrick-elliott-byron-car-numbers-2018-946806/
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By Class of 20Something
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ballcoach15 wrote:I made it to convo. Outstanding convo.


Saw some of the Snapchat from it. Looked like a crazy rave!
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By LUAlum1215
#535683 Daytona and Talladega are really his best shot. In reality the team he's joining has struggled mightily over recent years but the restrictor plate tracks seem to be the great equalizer. I wouldn't think LU will be on the car for the D500 though. Axalta will want a presence in the race (Nationwide always has that race on the 88, so Axalta hasn't been in it since Jeff Gordon drove. But I've been wrong a lot here lately so who knows.
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By LUAlum1215
#535733 Also true. It's best year was with Mark Martin in 2009, 4 wins I believe. Im interested in who the crew chief ends up being. Not sure if his current CC will make the move with him or not.
By flamehunter
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LUAlum1215 wrote:Also true. It's best year was with Mark Martin in 2009, 4 wins I believe. Im interested in who the crew chief ends up being. Not sure if his current CC will make the move with him or not.

While Martin had more wins (5 according to Wikipedia) in 2009, Terry Labonte won the championship with it in '97. Some good history with that number which was the original number for Hendrick back in 1984 with Geoff Bodine. Interesting story was that in '84 Hendrick was ready to shut the whole team down after just seven races but Bodine won at Martinsville that weekend and gave them new life. The rest is history.
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By LUAlum1215
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flamehunter wrote:
LUAlum1215 wrote:Also true. It's best year was with Mark Martin in 2009, 4 wins I believe. Im interested in who the crew chief ends up being. Not sure if his current CC will make the move with him or not.

While Martin had more wins (5 according to Wikipedia) in 2009, Terry Labonte won the championship with it in '97. Some good history with that number which was the original number for Hendrick back in 1984 with Geoff Bodine. Interesting story was that in '84 Hendrick was ready to shut the whole team down after just seven races but Bodine won at Martinsville that weekend and gave them new life. The rest is history.


Labonte's crew chief was Dale Inman for that championship. Inman has the record for championships as a CC; he did the same job for Richard Petty and his 7 cups.

Granted, I was only 8 when Terry won the cup that year, but I only remember him running good a handful of races and won sporadically. Ive never known the 5 team to be consistently strong outside of 2009. Kyle Busch drove it for 3 years but only won 3-4 races.

It's interesting to think about the 5 "team" as being cursed, but in reality HMS is one big team with 4 cars. The 48 and 88 cars are built in one shop and the 24/5 in another just beside it. The cars themselves are interchanged amongst the teams at times with the wraps changing for the respective driver/race. Hopefully the "curse" or whatever you want to call it ends and they get all 4 cars running well again.
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By Sly Fox
#536013 I used to cover Terry and the Labonte family in the '90s when I was doing sports for a station in Corpus Christi. My dad was pretty jazzed that William was going to be driving the 5 car for which he has a slew of Terry memoriabilia. But he's fine cheering on the 24 next season.

Most of Dad's NASCAR memoriabilia was above the water line when we cleaned ou the place. It just needs disinfected and it is going to to storage until housing can be figured out.
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By LUAlum1215
#536993 Interesting nugget from a story Bob Pockrass wrote about Kasey Khane's sponsor Farmers Insurance. Apparently they paid 7.6, 7.8, and 8 million for 12 races per year for the last three years. I believe LU signed on for 12 races for the next two years each. Of course each sponsorship agreement is different, but that probably puts you in the ballpark for how much LU is spending for a Cup team.
By ballcoach15
#536996 It's a lot of $$$$, but if he "runs up front", it will be good PR/advertising for LU. If he wins a race, that doubles or triples the exposure.

With Dale Earnhardt Jr. retiring, NASCAR needs a new popular driver. Maybe Byron can ascend to one of the more popular drivers. There's is currently no one in NASCAR who can even come close to replacing Earnhardt's fan base.

I predict Byron will win a cup race in 2018.
By flamehunter
#537007 Earnhardt had the legendary status of his dad to ride on. His success on the track was no where near his dad's. Byron seems to be a likable guy so if he can see a lot of success early on he will quickly build a big fan base, but he has no coattails to ride on as far as name recognition. Driving the 24 may help resurrect some old Gordon fans.
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By LUAlum1215
#537045 I really hope he's able to win next year but I'm hesitant to say he will based on other drivers that struggled their first couple of years. Joey Logano, Kyle Larson, and Chase Elliott come to mind. But he certainly will grow his fan base very quickily from having driven for JR and now heading to the 24. I think LU made a huge investment but can see how it's likely to pay big dividends.
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By Class of 20Something
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LUAlum1215 wrote:I really hope he's able to win next year but I'm hesitant to say he will based on other drivers that struggled their first couple of years. Joey Logano, Kyle Larson, and Chase Elliott come to mind. But he certainly will grow his fan base very quickily from having driven for JR and now heading to the 24. I think LU made a huge investment but can see how it's likely to pay big dividends.


I think it's already starting. Just people talking about him moving up is getting the name out there. Once they start seeing "LU" on the hood for hours at a time, it's going to be pretty steep. Even with the decline in ratings, we are still talking about around three million viewers a week.
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By Class of 20Something
#538138 https://twitter.com/WilliamByron/status ... 5118553089

The Axalta paint scheme is pretty sweet. Every kid in the country is going to want a toy version.
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By Sly Fox
#538141 It is just Jeff Gordon's paint scheme with the Axalta logo. I wonder if Liberty's look will be similar or if we go with the scheme used this year on our dates?
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By adam42381
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Class of 20Something wrote:https://twitter.com/WilliamByron/status/916112495118553089

The Axalta paint scheme is pretty sweet. Every kid in the country is going to want a toy version.

I’m not sure Jeff Gordon’s paint scheme is going to do that much for Byron. Gordon was one of the most hated NASCAR drivers for the majority of his career. I don’t think the scheme is going to move the needle.
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By LUAlum1215
#538214 I think the scheme is awesome. All of the schemes that were unveiled look great. The overwhelming majority of the NASCAR community (drivers, teams, media, etc) have expressed how great they think it looks as well. I was never a Gordon fan but I do think it will be one of the best looking cars on the track next year. I’m hoping the LU scheme looks as good. Honestly, I’m a little disappointed in the scheme he has this year. At first I like it because it’s pretty clean, but after seeing it on track this season I’m hoping they come up with something better next year. Maybe find a way to incorporate the screamin eagle into it
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By adam42381
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LUAlum1215 wrote:I think the scheme is awesome. All of the schemes that were unveiled look great. The overwhelming majority of the NASCAR community (drivers, teams, media, etc) have expressed how great they think it looks as well. I was never a Gordon fan but I do think it will be one of the best looking cars on the track next year. I’m hoping the LU scheme looks as good. Honestly, I’m a little disappointed in the scheme he has this year. At first I like it because it’s pretty clean, but after seeing it on track this season I’m hoping they come up with something better next year. Maybe find a way to incorporate the screamin eagle into it

The scheme looks fine, but it isn’t new. It’s the same one Gordon ran. I think they should have done something different if they wanted to make a splash. Just my two cents.
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By Class of 20Something
#538287 The liberty car scheme will be revealed at halftime Saturday. I really hope the car is actually at the game.
By flamehunter
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Class of 20Something wrote:The liberty car scheme will be revealed at halftime Saturday. I really hope the car is actually at the game.

I hope he does burnouts on the Big South logo.
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By TH Spangler
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Class of 20Something wrote:The liberty car scheme will be revealed at halftime Saturday. I really hope the car is actually at the game.


"NASCAR driver William Byron, a sophomore at Liberty, will join his Liberty family on Saturday, taking part in the parade and unveiling his new Liberty-sponsored No. 24 Chevrolet Camaro during halftime of the Flames Football game versus Kennesaw State.

After the parade, which begins at 3:30 p.m., Byron will greet guests in a tent near the bookstore from 4:30-5:30 p.m."
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By Sly Fox
#538317 Yet another reason why I am disappointed to not be at HC this year. Love the idea of the halftime reveal.