[ATrain]

Was in the women's bball office yesterday and heard that one of the players broke their legs in an intramural basketball game...not sure of all the details, but I'll try to find out more today.

[thesportscritic]

definitely not good news but keep us posted atrain.

[Hold My Own]

just got off the phone with coach P and the news is correct, Jes Nelson broke her leg and they are now looking at a 5-6 month recovery...this is a big big blow to P since his spirits were so high about out recruiting UNC for a big time player

Does anyone else think that nobody under schol. should not be playing any other sport than the one they are getting a free edu for? She's tough, hopefully she'll be able to come back even stronger

[thesportscritic]

which player did we out recruit UNC?

[A.G.]

I agree, HMO. It's a disaster waiting to happen. However, Intramurals can be a big part of the college experience. Coaches can put in a no IM rule, and should!

[SuperJon]

I don't think it's fair to do that. Many of these kids played 2-3 sports in high school and still have a passion for them. I don't see the difference in playing a pick-up basketball game and intramurals. You can get hurt walking across campus. I tripped in P1 yesterday because there was a huge pot hole right in the middle of the parking lot. I don't think we can keep the kids from playing other sports. You may be able to limit them in intramurals, but they're still going to play pick-up games and junk.

[jcmanson]

Tripping in P-1 because there is a parking lot shouldn't happen man. The whole upper portion of P-1 is riddled by potholes!

[SuperJon]

I was talking to Smoothie and givemethemic and not paying attention and the pavement just stopped and went to gravel and I wasn't ready for it.

[PAmedic]

anybody get that on camera SJ? you may win some $ for that!

[Hold My Own]

well, agree with it or not, but this I can promise you, Volleyball will no longer take part in intramural games, and they wont be the only team making that rule....bottom line I dont care how many sports you played in HS your not in HS any more and LU isn't giving you a education for you to play any sport other than the one you were brought here to play....I'm sorry but I cant see this being a problem at any other school, not to mention a key player....this is just very sad news

[Hold My Own]

which player did we out recruit UNC?

I got to get the spelling correct before I post that, but she's not a 06 girl she'll be a 07....she's really good man

[SuperJon]

I think you should allow them to play, but if they get hurt, sorry, we're taking your scholarship.

[TallyW]

They will stay active doing SOMETHING. Whether its IM or pick-up or tennis with people from the hall... Intramurals aren't blood-sports... people get hurt in many ways... sure there may be a reaction... but it won't likely change the percentage of injures to student atheletes. They'll just play on their own... they are atheletes... they love sport and competition.

[fsn32]

You can get hurt running or in the weight room... you can have a rule against intramurals but the bottom line is... you want the players to stay in shape and any activity has risk of injury. Giving a player a scholarship doesn't equate to making them live in a bubble for 4 years. Whether the injury occurred in an Intramural game or at a late skate... people play games and sometimes get hurt... it's unfortunate but not a reason to tell a collage kid to stop being a college kid.

[Brokeback Flamer]

I agree that it is not a good rule to put in place. Injuries happen. They could just as easily happen in "pick up" volleyball games. I agree that you are taking away the college atmosphere by not allowing people to do this. I don't buy the "LU is giving you a scholarship" argument. For starters LU isn't "giving" them anything, these athletes have earned it. Also, we "give" scholarship money for academics but don't "require" them to be at EVERY class. Just because a person in receiving money from the university doesn't mean we regulate their lives. (We have the Liberty Way to do that!!) They are on scholarship to play a sport, and if they can play, they have fulfilled the requirement. IF they get injured, no matter how the injury happens, it i sup to the coaches to decide if they then stay on scholarship. Most coaches say OK. Also, you take the ability of these athletes to mix with the student body as a whole and that is something players need.

[SuperJon]

I know of football players and soccer players right now that are playing intramurals. Big time players on each team at that. I have no problem with it. They enjoy what they're doing.

[ATrain]

Allyson Faschnact is in my tennis class...basically our athletes are still college kids, and they want to have fun...I say let them.

[PAmedic]

I'll be the resident old hag. Sorry- D1 athletics are a business. The "contract" between athlete and school may not involve a paycheck, but the young man or woman recieves compensation in the form of an eduacation scholarship worth 10s of thousands of dollars, not to mention free exposure on a national stage.

I'm NOT saying prohibit outside activities. Instead, it should be understood and WRITTEN into the signing that any injury outside of the specified sport for which the athlete is recieving the schollie is a sort of "trigger" or clause in the contract which would allow the school to revisit the award.

That may actually be in there now. My point is accidents happen, but these kids DO have an obligation to the institution- much like a professional athlete or stock car driver has to his team. If Mark Martin is injured skiing, my guess is Roush can probably dump him.

[TallyW]

You're right Medic... you are and old hag and a spoil sport

But I'm glad to have crossed paths with you...

[fsn32]

I'll be the resident old hag. Sorry- D1 athletics are a business. The "contract" between athlete and school may not involve a paycheck, but the young man or woman recieves compensation in the form of an eduacation scholarship worth 10s of thousands of dollars, not to mention free exposure on a national stage.

I'm NOT saying prohibit outside activities. Instead, it should be understood and WRITTEN into the signing that any injury outside of the specified sport for which the athlete is recieving the schollie is a sort of "trigger" or clause in the contract which would allow the school to revisit the award.

That may actually be in there now. My point is accidents happen, but these kids DO have an obligation to the institution- much like a professional athlete or stock car driver has to his team. If Mark Martin is injured skiing, my guess is Roush can probably dump him.

As we see in other sports threads... You can have your scholarship taken away for any reason...so I can't imagine there would be a need to have it in a contract. I agree to a certain extent...if an athlete does something stupid (i.e., takes a mattress down a hillside in the snow and runs into traffic or gets in a fight with a wall) and gets injured then they deserve to be made an example of...but if it's just an accident playing a normal game then throwing them off the team would be bad PR.

Again, you can get injured doing anything...you could blow out a knee volunteering at the Orphanage playing Duck Duck Goose with the kids... intramurals should not be called out just because of one injury...like someone else said...they will find other things to do and those things may be even more dangerous.

You are absolutely right about Mark Martin... if he gets hurt he is out a job unless his boss wants to show compassion...and I guess a coach could do the same thing but I would think at Liberty the compassion thing would hold a little more weight...especially since she wasn't doing anything wrong...

There are a lot of Athletes who get hurt because they fall down stairs in a drunken stupor...those are the ones we need to make examples of not an intramural basketballer who takes a fall.

[PAmedic]

Excellent points, FSN.

[Guest]

Funny you should say "takes a fall." I was there with some friends. It was one of thge most gruesome things I've seen. When it happened, I was a little distance away, but I was looking, and it sounded like someone smacking a bball right in front of my face. The "pop", I mean. And then to see her leg, it looked like she had a second joint below her knee. Very gruesome. All that happened was a jump-stop, and as soon as she planted, the leg gave.

Unfortunate for her. Just thought you all might like a 1st-person point of view.

[Guest]

Oh, and another note. Track & Field as well as softball have been IMS-free for over a year now after their rosters experienced losses of their own, actually both in basketball. (Funny though how E. Rasmussen still takes in the occasional pick-up game when there's a forfeit on the girls' floor.)

[Hold My Own]

Thanks for stopping by, I've seen studies that show for some reason girls hurt themselves a lot more then men when jumping....it's not a muscle thing either I think it has something to do with the angle of the foot

[ATrain]

Ok...that above description just makes me cringe...I hope to God I never break my leg like that...actually I hope I never break my leg, period.